alternatively I may have a stainless steel 35mm roll film developer canister and some thermal rubber insulation that could wirk for free! I also have an old Digital indoor/outdoor thermometer I could use to monitor the Temp with. The old Hot tub heating aparatice may be too large for my purposes, It used to runn off of 220V AC, I wonder what 12VDC would do with about 30oz of water!?!? Thanks for all the ideas