Thanks again, ok I think I have what I need. I down load th eMPlab and ICprog last night and will play with that once I have everything purchanced/ gathered and put together , I think it wit take mee few weeks just to gather everything..... and anther few weeks to figure out what I have....... so unless I have any questions in the meantime ... I leave you alone...... :) But I will definatley need some help or atleast need some questions anwered ..Thanks again.... KURT