[Robert L Bass]

For all the flack you get around here,

Bass, it appears as though you do
know what you're talking about.... At
least sometimes.

Once in a while. :^)

 

[nick markowitz]

This wanst just any burglar They called him the snake.Wille Carter
he violated nearly 400 homes with systems he only chose homes with systems.
he never got caught doing a burglary he beat every system he went against
except for a couple that went off and he left with out getting caught he
finnaly got caught fencing the goods.
and he is just a hand full I have heard from .

 

[Frank Olson]

For all the flack you get around here, Bass, it appears as though you
do know what you're talking about.... At least sometimes.

He's been workin' on (and dodging) "legal angles" for most of his career.

 

[Mark Leuck]

For all the flack you get around here, Bass, it appears as though you
do know what you're talking about.... At least sometimes.

A broken clock is correct twice a day

 

[Mark Leuck]

This wanst just any burglar They called him the snake.Wille Carter
he violated nearly 400 homes with systems he only chose homes with systems.
he never got caught doing a burglary he beat every system he went against
except for a couple that went off and he left with out getting caught he
finnaly got caught fencing the goods.
and he is just a hand full I have heard from .

There is tho far more evidence burglars stay away from houses with security
signs than your example here. There's always a few that buck the trend

 

[Crash Gordon]

Not sure about that. If someone stole my sign and put it on the side of
their truck that would be tradename infringement (and I DID win a lawsuit
based upon this)...i wonder how it would be different?


|> How did you obtain an ADT sign "legally"
| > without buying an alarm from ADT? My
| > lawnsigns are my property...
|
| That depends on what ADT may have done. If they left the sigs there after
the client stopped dealing with them the signs are
| abandoned. Considering they rarely even collect leased alarm systems, I
doubt they're about to go around collecting old lawn signs.
| Besaides, they don't put them up as a deterrent to theft. They're
advertising for the alarm company.
|
| If ADT labels the sigs as company property and makes a reasonable effort
to collect them at the expiration of the contract, then ADT
| has the right to their return. However, if ADT abandons them they become
the property of the homeowner and he can do whatever he
| wants with them.
|
| > and covered by my tradename (similar to
| > copyright protection...
|
| Not really. The material printed on them is covered under trademark and
copyright laws but not the physical signs themselves. It's
| more a book which you write. If someone in lawful possession of the book
wants to sell it on eBay he has every right to do so. He
| just copy and can't publish the book.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| =============================>
| Bass Home Electronics
| 941-866-1100
| 4883 Fallcrest Circle
| Sarasota · Florida · 34233
| http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
| =============================>
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

He's an amateur...and he still got caught.
It defies logic that a burglar would burgle a house with a sign over one
without.



| This wanst just any burglar They called him the snake.Wille Carter
| he violated nearly 400 homes with systems he only chose homes with
systems.
| he never got caught doing a burglary he beat every system he went against
| except for a couple that went off and he left with out getting caught he
| finnaly got caught fencing the goods.
| and he is just a hand full I have heard from .
|
| | > And you follow that reasoning from a burglar who is in prison? DUH.
| >
| > Come on man, does that really make sense to you?
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Personelly I do not use the yard signs and do not offer them to my
| > | customers. Might as well hang a sign out to come and rob me because i
| > have
| > | an alarm system becuse im afraid i have something of value to loose. I
| > have
| > | a customer who is a councelor at local prison and has interviewed his
| > share
| > | of burglars and they all tell him when they see an alarm sign on one
| > house
| > | and not the other that the sign usuually is a target for a breakin and
| > | depending on the sign burglars already know how a system is installed
| > and
| > | designed.
| > |
| > | | > | > | > | >> Seems as though ADT or Ebay (or both) have put the clamps down on
the
| > | >> selling of ADT yard signs.
| > | >
| > | > Why do you suppose that is?
| > | >
| > | >> I have a self-installed system and am using
| > | >> a central station of my choosing, but have one ADT yard sign
(because
| > | >> everyone recognizes ADT).
| > | >
| > | > Yes, they are recognized far and wide as the some of the cheapest,
| > most
| > | > poorly designed and installed residential systems currently
available.
| > | >
| > | >>I'd be interested in purchasing a couple
| > | >> more to place elsewhere on the property, and am looking for anyone
| > who
| > | >> can source these.
| > | >
| > | > Source them? SOURCE them? You mean steal them and sell them to you?
| > | >
| > | >> Please let me know either here or via private email
| > | >> at briantf27 (at) yahoo (dot) com
| > | >
| > | > Wait. You're a network engineer, right?
| > | >
| > | >> Thanks.
| > | >
| > | > **** off.
| > | > js
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Frank Olson]

A broken clock is correct twice a day

Not if it's LCD...

 

[Robert L Bass]

Not sure about that. If someone stole my sign

and put it on the side of their truck that would
be tradename infringement (and I DID win a
lawsuit based upon this)...i wonder how it would
be different?

Easy. If they steal *your* sign it's theft. If they use it to pretend they're you, that's impersonation. If they try to attract
business pretending to be you, that's a trade name infringement. But if you abandon the sign itself (not the copyright) the person
you left it with can dispose of it lawfully. Once you abandon property you can't come back later and claim ownership rights to it.
There is a significant difference between copyright or trademark rights and chattel property rights.

Let's go back to the analogy of a written work. Suppose you write a book on the "Life and Times of Jiminex". It's only about six
pages long but you wrote it and you're proud of it. You publish it at significant expense down at Office Depot's copy center.
After being thrown out for printing profane language, you visit Bob Lalonde and go for a ride on his brand new Vespa. While there
you lend Bob a copy of the book. Bob reads it in five minutes, snickers a few times and tosses it on a heap of rotting copies of
Easy Rider magazine in the corner of his garage. Three years go by and you make no effort to retrieve the book. You visit Bob a
few times during that time and see the book staring balefully at you from the heap but you don't ask for it back.

One night Bob passes the book on to Stevens, who he ran into at a strip bar around the corner from the ISC show. Stevens has been
waiting for years to get his hands on a photo of the subject for his website. The following week Bob L offends you in the newsgroup
so you demand your book back. Unbeknownst to Bob, Stevens has already scanned the picture of Jiminex from the front page and posted
it on his website.

You can't sue Bob because you gave him the book. Even though it was originally a loan, by failing to retrieve it for several years
you effectively abandoned it. He doesn't have to give it back and he can lawfully give it away.

You later discover that Stevens has scanned your prized photo of Jiminex in his rowboat, crossing the Arthur Kill between Staten
Island, NY and Elizabeth, NJ, cursing and flailing his arms at some seagull which has just proven itself incredibly accurate at
aerial targeting and... well, never mind that for now.

You can sue Stevens for all he's worth. He has infringed your copyright. Jiminex, in turn, files a lawsuit against you for failing
to curse me out in the book. Graham calls and offers to testify in your favor if only you'll pleeeease be his friend.

I hope this explanation helps.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Mark Leuck]

Not sure about that. If someone stole my sign and put it on the side of
their truck that would be tradename infringement (and I DID win a lawsuit
based upon this)...i wonder how it would be different?

No if they started a business with your company name and logo then yes but
just putting your sign on a truck won't do it

 

[[email protected]]

No if they started a business with your company name and logo then yes but
just putting your sign on a truck won't do it

Exactly. A name on a truck won't do it, nor will a sign in my yard.

It's not illegal just because ADT doesn't approve (or you don't approve
as the case may be).

 

[Crash Gordon]

Well, yes..they were representing themselves as being me/my company. They
didn't actually have any licenses or a legal business.

This is interesting though. So you guys are kinda saying that if I bought a
used ADT service truck with their signage on it, and drove it around not
intending to do any alarm business that ADT or lets say just parked it on my
driveway - would have no case? (tangent from OP...just posing another ?)


|
| | > Not sure about that. If someone stole my sign and put it on the side of
| > their truck that would be tradename infringement (and I DID win a
lawsuit
| > based upon this)...i wonder how it would be different?
|
| No if they started a business with your company name and logo then yes but
| just putting your sign on a truck won't do it
|
|

 

[Robert L Bass]

This is interesting though. So you guys are kinda

saying that if I bought a used ADT service truck
with their signage on it, and drove it around not
intending to do any alarm business that ADT or
lets say just parked it on my driveway - would have
no case? (tangent from OP...just posing another ?)

Correct.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Interesting. I gotta think on this for a while..bbl, I actually have to go
to work now.



|> This is interesting though. So you guys are kinda
| > saying that if I bought a used ADT service truck
| > with their signage on it, and drove it around not
| > intending to do any alarm business that ADT or
| > lets say just parked it on my driveway - would have
| > no case? (tangent from OP...just posing another ?)
|
| Correct.
|
|

 

[Bob Worthy]

Well, yes..they were representing themselves as being me/my company. They
didn't actually have any licenses or a legal business.

This is interesting though. So you guys are kinda saying that if I bought a
used ADT service truck with their signage on it, and drove it around not
intending to do any alarm business that ADT or lets say just parked it on my
driveway - would have no case? (tangent from OP...just posing another ?)

In your case it may have been a different issue than what is being talked
about here. It is the action of the individual that "could" constitute some
sort of illegal act. If he was an unlicensed person, driving an ADT truck
and not employeed by ADT, out there selling, installing, servicing alarms as
an ADT whatever, there may be some sort of fraud and deception thing going
on, not to mention any of the unlicensed contractor penaltys and who knows
what else. But simply having possession of a sign, or a truck etc. with a
logo on it is not illegal unless it was stolen. Even with that, the crime
would be possession of stolen property and not anything to do with the logo.
Stealing an ADT truck would carry no heavier penalty than stealing RLB's
Camary. You have to forget what seems to be right, ethical, common sense and
even what may have been law last year. None of that comes into play when
attorneys are involved.

 

[RobertM]

In your case it may have been a different issue than what is being talked
about here. It is the action of the individual that "could" constitute
some
sort of illegal act. If he was an unlicensed person, driving an ADT truck
and not employeed by ADT, out there selling, installing, servicing alarms
as
an ADT whatever, there may be some sort of fraud and deception thing going
on, not to mention any of the unlicensed contractor penaltys and who knows
what else. But simply having possession of a sign, or a truck etc. with a
logo on it is not illegal unless it was stolen. Even with that, the crime
would be possession of stolen property and not anything to do with the
logo.
Stealing an ADT truck would carry no heavier penalty than stealing RLB's
Camary. You have to forget what seems to be right, ethical, common sense
and
even what may have been law last year. None of that comes into play when
attorneys are involved.

Many years ago I worked for a company that manufactured police badges
and notary seals. One day someone came in to order a badge and something
didn't quite seem right. Usually orders came from the city on a P.O. This
man wanted to pay cash and didn't have a purchase order. So I phoned the
police and asked about the legal aspect of someone who might not be a law
officer buying a police badge. The police said there is no law against
buying a badge as long as the owner of the badge doesn't impersonate a
police officer. I don't know for what other purpose someone would buy a
badge but it was legal for the customer to buy it and legal for us to sell
it to him. The law may vary by state.

Bob

 

[Steve]

Many years ago I worked for a company that manufactured police badges
and notary seals. One day someone came in to order a badge and something
didn't quite seem right. Usually orders came from the city on a P.O. This
man wanted to pay cash and didn't have a purchase order. So I phoned the
police and asked about the legal aspect of someone who might not be a law
officer buying a police badge. The police said there is no law against
buying a badge as long as the owner of the badge doesn't impersonate a
police officer. I don't know for what other purpose someone would buy a
badge but it was legal for the customer to buy it and legal for us to sell
it to him. The law may vary by state.

There are websites that cater to police badges and miniatures. Some
consider them collectables. IIRC, there has been some restriction on them
as of late.

 

[Steve]

You really should not be the one doling out legal advice, especially
concerning copyright infringements.

Say what you will, it was quite funny........

 

[Bob Worthy]

There are websites that cater to police badges and miniatures. Some
consider them collectables. IIRC, there has been some restriction on them
as of late.

Yep. I think Texas is one that has some heavy restrictions on their Texas
Star, and that goes way back.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Exactly. A name on a truck won't do it, nor will a sign in my yard.

It's not illegal just because ADT doesn't approve (or you don't approve
as the case may be).

Keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express
last night