Advice for sci.electronics.design

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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Bwahahahahaha! John you sure do have Guy's chain dancing around ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Well, the whole point of hijacking a dead newsgroup (how many votes
did that take?) and crowing about it here is for an otherwise dull
person to make himself into a pompous-oracle center of attention.

It won't work, of course.

John
 
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Bob Monsen

Jan 1, 1970
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Guy said:
Bob Monsen wrote:




This is great. You are lecturing Rich the Dreaded Libertarian
on free markets. You might as well tell Win how to write or tell
Genome how to be an asswipe.

Darn! I thought you had blacklisted me. You really should find another
hobby. This one is going to kill you. Heart attack, stroke, cancer, they
are all caused by hostility and stress.
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Guy Macon said:
This is great. You are lecturing Rich the Dreaded Libertarian
on free markets. You might as well tell Win how to write or tell
Genome how to be an asswipe.

Gosh, thanks!

You need me to wipe your arse.

Do you want to enquire about my ring piece rates?


I arseume you have moderated my post out of your newsgroup.


Pity I posted it here.

DNA
 
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Guy Macon

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
(how many votes did that take?)

For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

There were 129 YES votes and 16 NO votes for a moderated m.b.p-d,
for a total of 145 valid votes. Those same 129 YES votes and 16
NO votes were for/against the moderator sucession system that has
been in place since the begining of Usenet. There was 1 abstention
and 3 invalid ballots. All has been done strictly according to
the rules of Big-8 newsgroup creation.

You can compare this with the creation of sci.electronics.design;
There were 169 YES votes and 35 NO votes, for a total of 204 valid
votes. There were 2 invalid ballots. (Abstentions are not counted
in multi-group votes.)


You might also be interested in this:

CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.

And these:

....the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition
to free discussions....

....The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.

That's right, one hundred and sixty-nine people voted for the above
sci.electronics.design charter -- the one you are flaming me for
requesting that you follow. I count five of you flamers.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Gosh, thanks!

You need me to wipe your arse.

Do you want to enquire about my ring piece rates?


I arseume you have moderated my post out of your newsgroup.


Pity I posted it here.

DNA

I've always wondered about you Brits: do you pronounce the 'r' in
'arse'?

John
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Most people have the ability to read threads, which is why I ignore
you when you whine about how much gets quoted, but if posting things
twice makes you happy, then I am happy for you.


I can add an onus if that's your objection. Here goes:

A statement of fact by a person who is in a position to know that
fact needs no justification. If I say that you like to have have
sex with sheep and you tell me that I am incorrect, you don't have
to tell me why my assessment was incorrect - you just have to tell
me that you don't like to have sex with sheep.

What you are missing (on purpose?) is that you are making claims
about my internal mental state and then demanding that I explain
why you are wrong. How would I know why you are wrong? I just
know that you are, and that I am the only person who really knows
what my own internal mental state is.

---
You missed the point. Again. The onus on not liking orange juice is
nonexistent, because there's no guilt associated with not liking
orange juice.

In your case, your mental state (more particularly, your apparent
hunger for control) smacks of a deep-seated insecurity which you
won't/can't admit to and in order to convince yourself that such isn't
the case you actively try to manipulate situations where you can come
out on top, therefore proving to yourself that you're not a loser.

This thread is a good example in that as time goes by and your ploys
and chicanery are examined in detail and brought into the light, you
become ever more virulent in your denials that what we all see is
true.
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You are wrong. I have no interest in being able to control others.
Why would I want to do a thing like that?

---
In order to remove any threat to your tenuous grasp on your feelings
of security. See above.
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Why the quotation marks?

---
Because you're not really moderator material. You've got an agenda
and an ax to grind, neither of which will stand you, or the members of
any group you're "moderating" in good stead.

If you're interested in being a _good_ moderator you need to read Bill
Beaty.
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Are you ignorant about how Usenet works?

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No, and that's not really a question as much as it is a slur, is it?
Obviously just more of your bullshit.
---
In another (moderated) newsgroup. Why do you have your panties
in a wad over what happens in another newsgroup? Do you have some
sort of bizarre fantasy that this in some way has an affect on you
even if you don't read or post there?

---
My interest lies in your motivation, not on your shenanigans in this
or any other group unless they give insights into the reasons for your
peculiar behavior and demeanor.
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That's your opinion, but I disagree. I think my snippage is appropriate
and that you are throwing in a red herring.

---
Well, yes, of course that's what you _have_ to think in order to not
have to confront the possibility that you snipped to feign control.
---
The fact that your snippage
is poorly done is evident; you usually don't snip at all and quote the
entire post.

---
Yes, in posts such as this, in order to preserve the flavor of the
exchange.

In on-topic technical posts, however, I snip as required to remove old
agreed-upon text which is no longer relevant to the direction of the
thread.

Try reading some of my technical stuff and, if you can understand it,
you might see what I mean.
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Same logical fallacy as before. A statement of fact by a person
who is in a position to know told to a person who has no way of
knowing needs no justification.

---
Your presumption that you're in a position to know is false because,
through your actions, you've proven that you can't be objective about
yourself. Consequently, I'm in a much better position to determine
your mental state than you are because I can look at you and your
actions without the baggage which loads you down.
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Liar. I have no desire to only allow on-topic posts in s.e.d,
and I lack the ability to cause such a change even if your fantasies
about my motives were true.

---
Just because you don't have the ability to limit posts to on-topic
material here doesn't mean that you wouldn't like to. I suspect that
your foray into "moderating" a group will result in many, if not all,
posts which you consider to be off-topic being rejected in spite of
your self-proclaimed tolerance.
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I deny that that's what you've advocated time and time again.

---
More smoke and mirrors? I've never advocated total on-topicness, so
your denial is hollow.
---
Feel
free to post a message-ID of me saying that I want only on-topic posts
*to be allowed*. You can't, because I never wrote that. I know I never
wrote that because I have no such desire. Yes, I would like you to
stop yapping, but I have no desire (or ability) to force you to do so.

---
Well, I just read the "A modest Proposal" thread, and it appears that
you were advocating a system whereby a single thread could be isolated
from off-topic material, so I stand corrected on that one.
---
Nice shift there. You went from "only allow on-topic posts" to
"change sed." This is an ongoing pattern for you; you consistently
confuse someone asking for something to happen with someone forcing
something to happen.

---
Not a shift at all. It's merely "reducto ad absurdium".
---

---
You lack the ability here, but if I signed up for your bullshit
"moderated" newsgroup where you'd _have_ the ability then it would be
an entirely different story, wouldn't it? If it wouldn't, then what
would be the point of the moderation?
---
And you can't tell the difference between someone finding your
actions offensive and wishing to outlaw them?

---
Again, reducto ad absurdium.

If you find my actions offensive then I'm sure you'd rather I
conducted myself in a manner which you might find more acceptable,
whether you chose to do anything about it or not. The crux of the
matter is the not being able to do anything about it part and the
resignation to that fact, regardless of what your hidden wishes might
be.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

There were 129 YES votes and 16 NO votes for a moderated m.b.p-d,
for a total of 145 valid votes. Those same 129 YES votes and 16
NO votes were for/against the moderator sucession system that has
been in place since the begining of Usenet. There was 1 abstention
and 3 invalid ballots. All has been done strictly according to
the rules of Big-8 newsgroup creation.

You can compare this with the creation of sci.electronics.design;
There were 169 YES votes and 35 NO votes, for a total of 204 valid
votes. There were 2 invalid ballots. (Abstentions are not counted
in multi-group votes.)


You might also be interested in this:

CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.

And these:

...the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition
to free discussions....

...The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.

That's right, one hundred and sixty-nine people voted for the above
sci.electronics.design charter -- the one you are flaming me for
requesting that you follow. I count five of you flamers.


I'm not flaming you. I'm merely pointing out that all you seem to talk
about is Guy Macon, and that's surely off topic.

Good grief, you *count* the people who "flame" you? Get a life, Guy.

John
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.

There were 129 YES votes and 16 NO votes for a moderated m.b.p-d,
for a total of 145 valid votes. Those same 129 YES votes and 16
NO votes were for/against the moderator sucession system that has
been in place since the begining of Usenet. There was 1 abstention
and 3 invalid ballots. All has been done strictly according to
the rules of Big-8 newsgroup creation.

You can compare this with the creation of sci.electronics.design;
There were 169 YES votes and 35 NO votes, for a total of 204 valid
votes. There were 2 invalid ballots. (Abstentions are not counted
in multi-group votes.)


You might also be interested in this:

CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.

And these:

...the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition
to free discussions....

...The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.

That's right, one hundred and sixty-nine people voted for the above
sci.electronics.design charter -- the one you are flaming me for
requesting that you follow. I count five of you flamers.
 
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Guy Macon

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
My interest lies in your motivation

You appear to be uninterested in what I say my motivations are,
and I am certainly uninterested in what you say my motivations
are, so I suppose I should just allow you to write about what
interests you without bothering to make comments that you will
reject out of hand.
Well, I just read the "A modest Proposal" thread, and it appears that
you were advocating a system whereby a single thread could be isolated
from off-topic material, so I stand corrected on that one.

To expand on the above, it wouldn't be isolated from off-topic
material to any sci.electronics.design reader, because you and
others would be free to reply to sci.electronics.design alone
with any sort of off-topic material you choose, as you have
already been doing. It would only be isolated from off-topic
material to those reading it in misc.business.product-dev, where
any off-topic posts would be rejected. It would even allow you
the choice (which you may, of course choose to ignore) to have
any on-topic posts you might wish to write be seen in both groups.
That's because you choose where your posts go.

My "Modest Proposal" would give the reader of a selected thread a
choice that he does not have now, without in any way limiting the
choices of you or anyone else who is willing to take responsibility
for where his posts go. For those who let others control where
they post and then whine about it the consequences of thier bad
decisions I have little sympathy.
 
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Guy Macon

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
You phony bastard, you talk about the charter as if it were
sacrosanct and then you violate it with your off-topic crap.

I love you too. **GROUP HUG**
 
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Dave

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Luhan Monat wrote:

What I really dislike is subject titles like

"help needed", "Wanted: IC", "Circuit wanted"

Better ones might be

"Help - how do I use a 7805"
"Wanted IC type 741" or "An IC to convert DC to AC"
or "Circuit wanted for single->3phase conversion"

There are so many posts around with titles that give no useful
information at all. Many newsgroups get archived, and so people can
search them. It helps if the title is relevant.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Genome said:
Gosh, thanks!

You need me to wipe your arse.

Do you want to enquire about my ring piece rates?


I arseume you have moderated my post out of your newsgroup.


Pity I posted it here.

DNA

You do not have to defend your position as a true "regular contributor"
here. Any one who would credit Grease with being a student of free
market economics is an ignorant idiot- the only free market that
particular fool knows about is where to get his next bag of Mary Jane-
the reason why his teeth, and probably fingers, are stained so brown...
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
You do not have to defend your position as a true "regular
contributor" here. Any one who would credit Grease with being a
student of free market economics is an ignorant idiot- the only free
market that particular fool knows about is where to get his next bag
of Mary Jane- the reason why his teeth, and probably fingers, are
stained so brown...

Fred, you forgot that childporn thing
 
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Bob Stephens

Jan 1, 1970
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So what are you going to wind up with? A bunch of idiot sheep who
think they have something which is going to make them rich and a bunch
of vultures looking to fleece them.

Hmm... That might actually be fun to watch.


Bob
 
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