Charging scheme for "electric gas station"?

[GregS]

That probably doesn't change fuel consumption by 0.02%. It's in the
noise.

John

With all possible marker lamps, plus stop lamps, your talking about several amps.
Plus, it just does not seem right. How about headlights sitting in traffic.

greg

 

[John Doe]

And I am rather sceptical about the lifetime of deep discharge
high power batteries in regular use. Most of the rechargeables I
have and especially those in portable PCs die a horrible death
after 3-4 years.

If that bullshit were true, you must be scratching your head in
wonder how hundreds of millions use lithium-ion batteries without
issues...

 

[John Doe]

Nor does my Prius and it uses plain old gas.

Says a fucking moron who does not even know what kind of car he
has. Or maybe the moron just could not resist talking about it.

Toyota wrote:
"From starting off through light acceleration, full hybrids like
Prios can be powered solely by their electric motor"

 

[John Doe]

I have several lithium-ion batteries that have gone duff,

Whatever the **** "gone duff" is supposed to mean...

in cellphones, and cameras. 3 years seems to indeed be a turning
point, capacity loss (like > 50%).

Hundreds of millions of consumers thoroughly enjoy lithium-ion
batteries, Fuckhead, that is why their use is EXTREMELY widespread.























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[Martin Brown]

Whatever the **** "gone duff" is supposed to mean...

It is a technical engineering term. You would not understand.

Typically the weakest cell fails and then the anti-self destruct
mechanism stops the whole thing from being recharged. Officially no user
serviceable parts in the multicell units. And the anti self-immolation
circuit isn't entirely foolproof there have been a few go up.

The energy density in a fully charged battery is fairly nasty. Even a
humble AA when shorted can source well in excess of 10A until it explodes.

Hundreds of millions of consumers thoroughly enjoy lithium-ion
batteries, Fuckhead, that is why their use is EXTREMELY widespread.

And I expect they replace them about every 3-4 years. It is very
difficult to make a deep discharge high power battery that is robust in
regular use and with a sensible power to weight ratio.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[John Doe]

Typically the weakest cell fails

That would be a quality assurance issue.

and then the anti-self destruct mechanism stops the whole thing
from being recharged. Officially no user serviceable parts in
the multicell units. And the anti self-immolation circuit isn't
entirely foolproof there have been a few go up.

Perfection is difficult to achieve. But, obviously, everyone else
in the world sees the benefit of lithium-ion hugely outweighing
the risk.

And I expect they replace them about every 3-4 years.

You can ask...

It is very difficult to make a deep discharge high power battery
that is robust in regular use and with a sensible power to
weight ratio.

Lithium polymer batteries are a dream come true for radio
controlled aircraft fliers.

 

[John Doe]

It means they won't hold much charge after a few years of use.

Okay, well, maybe you can find someone interested in arguing lithium-ion battery life with you...

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

"A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles..."

Besides being wayward bullshit, Lark, that has nothing to do with lithium-ion batteries dying a "horrible death".

http://en.wiki...

What do you do for a living?

I know better than to depend on wiki shit to support my arguments, Lark.

 

[krw]

That is the deepest argument thus far.


At least you understand that rechargeable batteries must be
charged... But of course, batteries do not have to be owned in
order to be used and charged.



Yes, businesses have financial and overhead costs... Uhg.


Either you have been brainwashed, or you are just too old to think
outside of the box.

Another starry-eyed kid who can't even spell economics.

 

[John Doe]

Having to pay to dispose of, and replace, a thousand pounds of exotic
batteries every couple of years sounds pretty horrible to me. Gas
tanks last for decades.

Whatever you say, Asshole.

Menial stuff, huh?

Very, Lark, I pimp your mother...

 

[John Doe]

Another starry-eyed kid who can't even spell economics.

I use speech recognition, Geezer.

Starry eyed is the Democrats. Armchair warmongers is the
Republicans. Both are politically correct and apparently owned by
big oil companies. Neither promotes (nuclear) the viable
alternative to fossil fuels. They are all blind partisans.



















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[krw]

I use speech recognition, Geezer.

You need some help.

Starry eyed is the Democrats. Armchair warmongers is the
Republicans. Both are politically correct and apparently owned by
big oil companies. Neither promotes (nuclear) the viable
alternative to fossil fuels. They are all blind partisans.

Stupid, as well as starry-eyed.

 

[John Doe]

You need some help.

Whatever you say, Asshole.

Stupid

And you, Geezer, such an economy with words...




















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[krw]

Whatever you say, Asshole.

Exactly. Whatever I say is true, idiot.

And you, Geezer, such an economy with words...

When one word tells all, more are irrelevant.

 

[John Doe]

Whatever I say is true idiocy.

Yes it is, Lapdog.

STUPID

A big word!



Speaking of the general subject (politics) Lapdog is reacting to but
afraid to talk about... Seems like maybe Lamar Alexander is having an
effect on some of the Democrats in power. In Barbara Boxer's
committee meeting yesterday, some of the Democrat-invited
speakers/witnesses actually mentioned nuclear power.

 

[krw]

Yes it is, Lapdog.

I'm glad you agree that you need help. Get it.

A big word!

I tried to keep it simple enough for you, punk.

Speaking of the general subject (politics) Lapdog is reacting to but
afraid to talk about... Seems like maybe Lamar Alexander is having an
effect on some of the Democrats in power. In Barbara Boxer's
committee meeting yesterday, some of the Democrat-invited
speakers/witnesses actually mentioned nuclear power.

....and your point is, stupid?

 

[JosephKK]

New technologies are suggesting charge times something like 5
minutes. Awfully efficient lithium stuff, probably on the verge of
ignition at that charge rate anyway. Still too long, and the amount
of electricity is staggering. (Heat is just an engineering problem:
keep the contacts away from dirt better, and use bigger prongs. No
big deal.) Some sort of battery exchange would be more effective.

Tim

Kind of like welding gas tank exchanges.

 

[JosephKK]

yes, if you do the calculation, the equivalent power flow through the
rubber hose of a common gas pump when you put gas in your car, say 10
gallons in 2 minutes, is in the MEGA Watts. That is a sobbering fact.


Mark

But not to the greenies, they are immune to facts.

 

[JosephKK]

Especially while the world is owned by big oil companies.


So, as Tim Williams wrote (and was for some strange reason
snipped), you simply exchange the battery. That might be
off-topic, but it is easy to imagine and understand.

OK, but remember that it weighs several hundred pounds. Not so
convenient.

 

[JosephKK]

Your function in life - all of you - is to amuse me, if you can.

John

Position declined. You amuse way too easily.

 

[JosephKK]

Why would I bother to do that?

John

You seem to annoy others as a mere byproduct of your existence.