Cost of a Traffic Signal ??

[Mark Fergerson]

Look, you fucking retard...The RIGHT OF WAY on a road is to the
vehicle (driver) in front of you. If your lame ass intends to pass
said vehicle, the responsibility to do so safely is YOURS, the
rearward approaching vehicle. Dig?

Look, you fucking illiterate, come February I will have
been riding a bike for _thirty years_ in AZ.

Don't worry about others' responsibilities; yours is to
cover your own ass no matter what some dimbfuck does. YOU
have to be ready for anything, anytime.

<snip whining>

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

...Jim Thompson

 

[Mark Fergerson]

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Jim Thompson]

Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:[email protected] (Jim Thompson):

Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

I have driven enough and biked enough with vision impaired by one thing
or another (wearing glasses in drizzle, having just had an eye exam where
they dropped into my eyes some apparent muscle relaxant that dilates my
pupils and disables focusing, etc.). I still see well enough to get
around while allowing for vision being not full blast...

That's partly why I _always_ wear a hat. Rain sucks.

And I get hit at least as much in daytime in good weather as at other
times, even though I ride at least as much when weather gets worse. Maybe
I cycle more defensively in worse conditions and more aggressively in
better conditions...

Well, ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances. Nobody
gets extra consideration because they chose a more
"vulnerable" mode of transportation, not even me.

What gets me is:

* People driving without headlights on purpose because it's "cool"

* People who don't turn on their headlights until they are moving in
traffic (if the car starts, turning on the headlights will not drain the
battery enough to make it stall!).

* People driving with headlights off but using "fog lights" of some
least-useful design that directs light into other road users' eyes more
than anywhere else (fog lights should illuminate road surface and keep
their light low).
Some of these "fog lights" are even referred to as "racing" lights - do
you ever see race cars using them? Is this some way to say "Off Road Use
Only", as in non-street-legal? Some of these are called "driving lights"
- as in not fog lights - supplements for headlights? Definitely not legal
to use instead of headlights (as opposed to in addition to) when headlight
use is required!

<In AZ the only stated legal requirement for headlights on
car or bike is that they must be visible from 500 ft. Go
figure.)

* People using blue-filtered fake-HID headlights, then driving in the
city with their high beams on because the low beams are too dim

CFI-class behavior, all of it. Makes me want to carry a
shotgun (I do sympathize with DM to a degree), but they're
kinda hard to handle on a bike.

* People not expecting bikes or whatever on the road! Whatever part of
their brains their eyes are connected to is not looking for bikes!
"Bike, what bike? *SMASH!* Oh, the one that was in front of me!" Yes,
this happened to me - I was cycling straight and steady in a traffic lane,
and *BOOM!* and I was flying! (And limping for a day and a half.) This
was early afternnon in good weather. The driver was about 20.

Had that happen to me in Oregon; looked over my shoulder,
no cars coming, pulled out and THE BIKE VANISHED FROM UNDER
ME! Wonderful presence of mind on my part; I recovered from
my instinctive tuck and roll, rushed over to car, asked
cringing driver if _she_ was OK, she says (in very small
voice) "I peed my pants". I should hope so.

They fed me brandy, bought me a new rear wheel to replace
the avant-garde sculpture the old one had become, fed me
more brandy, drove me home, and all was well.

Mark L. "Luck counts for a lot in life" Fergerson

 

[Jim Thompson]

In news:[email protected] (Jim Thompson): [snip]

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

(1) I like "squished" better ;-)
(2) I thought this was a technology group. Don't you believe that
technology will quickly find a solution just as soon as oil prices
start toward the untenable? When car companies can't sell cars what
do you think will happen... close down? Dream on.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Mark Fergerson]

In (Jim Thompson):

Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

Works for me.

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.

_Some_ of us are.

It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the road
and if you're on it, then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

Concur. 'Til then I'll watch my ass.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

Do you really think there will be decent roads if there are no cars
or trucks that need them? Think about it. Do you know where the money to
build an maintain roads come from? Fuel taxes. With no motor vehicles,
there will be no money or need for good roads. You'll need a horse or
donkey, because you would kill yourself trying to dodge all the broken
pavement on a bicycle.


--
17 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Thinker]

In news:[email protected] (Jim Thompson):

Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]
Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

AZ law requires cyclists to follow the same laws (barring
equipment differences) as cars; if the middle of the lane is
all that's available, that's what you have to use, though
like all "slow vehicles" you're s'posed to keep as far right
as practicable. I'm anticipating the Legislature to require
those triangle sign/reflectors on bicycles.

OTOH I never said bicyclists can't be CFIs too; remember
the "drunk cyclist" flap a while back after one got himself
killed by darting in front of a cop at night (he had no
lights or reflectors on his bike)? I think that qualifies
for a Darwin Award.

Mark L. Fergerson

We have a running verbal battle about bicyclists in the Ahwatukee
Foothills News Letters-to-the-Editor section.

The bicyclists think they should be able to ride down Chandler Blvd.
5-abreast.

A former AZ DPS officer wrote in and suggested they were just Darwin
Awards waiting to happen... though he tended toward the gross using
words like squish and ooze ;-)

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

...Jim Thompson

Personally, I'd like to see a trade-in policy, when Big Oil runs out and
the hydrogen car flops... trade in your $20,000 auto for a $200 bicycle,
which gets unlimited mileage, is healthy to operate, and produces little to
no pollution. Maybe then, 5-abreast would not be such a proposterous idea...

If you ride a bicycle, you're quick to learn that cars are out to kill you.
It doesn't matter if you're 1 or 100 years old, they think they own the

road

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

 

[Ross Mac]

Look, you fucking illiterate, come February I will have
been riding a bike for _thirty years_ in AZ.

Don't worry about others' responsibilities; yours is to
cover your own ass no matter what some dimbfuck does. YOU
have to be ready for anything, anytime.

<snip whining>

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Another pleasant reply from Don'tMatter....with all this rage you wonder
when he is going to pop and get into some real trouble. Perhaps this NG is a
good thing for him. He can release his frustrations and stay out of the
pokie!......Ross

 

[Don Klipstein]

<In AZ the only stated legal requirement for headlights on
car or bike is that they must be visible from 500 ft. Go
figure.)

Now I wonder which states do and don't require automotive headlights to
meet the applicable federal standards? I thought most did. These
standards specify lower and upper limits for candela into each of quite a
few different directions as well as an allowable range of chromaticity
(which is basically white to incandescent-color).

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

You have made a major logical blunder here. I drive AND ride bikes. I pay
taxes for fuel AND like to use my bicycle. Therefore, I have a right to
complain if the conditions on the roads I help pay for are not suitable for
bicycle use.
You have assumed that bike riders do not pay the taxes that support the
roads. Guess again.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

 

[DarkMatter]

Look, you fucking illiterate,

Could you be any more retarded?

come February I will have
been riding a bike for _thirty years_ in AZ.

Good for you, dipshit. I have been riding since '71, and for the
last ten years, full time. It STILL changes nothing, and has ZERO
bearing on the way things are. You experience doesn't mean squat,
when your fucking aptitude lacks as badly as does yours.

Don't worry about others' responsibilities; yours is to
cover your own ass no matter what some dimbfuck does.

**** you. Covering MY OWN ASS entails me putting a stop to retarded
drivers on the street. Getting a clue now, BOY?

YOU
have to be ready for anything, anytime.

**** you. A retard like YOU has to be that way.

<snip whining>

Better than being fucking retarded about it, as are you.

Do you also drive a car?

Yes. Quite responsibly, and safely.

Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand?

More so. More than even they themselves treat others when they
drive.

I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case.

They are. So are you. Your attitude proves that.

Grow the
hell up.

Shut the **** up, you retarded jackoff.

I have more maturity in my baby fingertip than a lame **** like you
has in your entire body.

 

[DarkMatter]

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

Only if I get extra points for putting a fast moving chunk of lead in
your head for doing it, ya fucking retarded twit.

 

[DarkMatter]

We have designated bike lanes out here; I think some enforcement is
going to be necessary to educate bicyclists to use the lanes
appropriately.

Dumbfuck. If there is a designated lane, they will be in it. If
not, the lane they are in is their lane. PERIOD.

Short of impeding an entire line of traffic, your lame ass can LEARN
to pass safely, and responsibly.

 

[DarkMatter]

then you diserve to be squashed like some puny little
bug. It's THAT logic that needs changing, not any other.

No shit ya retarded twit. When I SAID THAT, your lame ass came back
with "You have to cover your own ass."

You are one retarded fuckhead, boy. **** off. Then die, or get hit
by a fast moving 2.5 ton chunk of steel.

 

[DarkMatter]

Another pleasant reply from Don'tMatter....with all this rage you wonder
when he is going to pop and get into some real trouble. Perhaps this NG is a
good thing for him. He can release his frustrations and stay out of the
pokie!......Ross

Another retarded set of remarks from the retard of the year award
winner.

 

[Jeff Thompson]

Shut the **** up, you retarded jackoff.

I have more maturity in my baby fingertip than a lame **** like you
has in your entire body.

Obviously.

 

[Rich Grise]

Technically I think they're supposed to be allowed to use
a regular traffic lane - but they have to be registerd and
roadworthy and all that. Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):>

Cheers!
Rich

[snip]

Do you also drive a car? Do you then treat cyclist with
the respect you demand? I do, but I also expect everyone
else to be COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS, just in case. Grow the
hell up.

Mark L. Fergerson

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

...Jim Thompson