DIY is a rocky road.

[Crash Gordon]

No problem...whenever you have time.


|I got busy. Will answer when things slow down a bit...
| Allan
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| | > I'm witchya on that. I was just curious as to what Allan meant.
| > A lot of times clients *think* they want some feature and then end up
| > never
| > ever never using it.
| >
| >
| > | > |I can't think of any, each panel has its own strengths and weaknesses
| > | however Ademco is far easier to program
| > |
| > | | > | > Like what features?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Ademco might be easier to program, but the Napco is so much more
| > | > versatile.
| > | > | More features make for more programming. As for me, I would
rather
| > be
| > | > able
| > | > | to configure a panel the way my customer wants to use it than be
| > held
| > to
| > | a
| > | > | more restricted panel.
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > Ademco is not a large percentage of my installs...and ya know
I've
| > | never
| > | > | > really had problems with their stuff..at least the few models
that
| > I
| > | do
| > | > | > use.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > But having said that...at least Ademco stuff easier to program
| > than
| > | > | > NappyKO
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > As far as programming goes though, nothing beats DMP for ease of
| > | > | > programming...sheesh it's like using an ATM machine just answer
| > | > questions
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > english. Panel of choice for this AARP installer.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | That's what you get for installing Ademcrap..... ) hee hee
| > | > | > |
| > message
| > | > | > | | > | > | > | >I agree. I've been doing this stuff for almost 25 years and
| > | sometimes
| > | > I
| > | > | > | >have
| > | > | > | > to read the manual over and over again...and then STILL have
| > to
| > | call
| > | > | > tech
| > | > | > | > support --- who speak with a decidely off-shore accent. Its
| > | > | > frustrating
| > | > | > at
| > | > | > | > times, but its good when you get it right.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
message
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | message
| > | > | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > Yep they do, and you have to speak Alarmish, a
sub-dialect
| > of
| > | > | > 'Glish.
| > | > | > | > | > They're not written for DIYers.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | They are not written for anybody who knows how to read and
| > also
| > | > | > trusts
| > | > | > | > what
| > | > | > | > | they read:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Installer code
| > | > | > | > | User code
| > | > | > | > | Default code
| > | > | > | > | Master code
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | In the manuals that I am trying to read, all of the above
| > appear
| > | > | > with
| > | > | > no
| > | > | > | > | definitions and are obviously used inappropriately, in
some
| > | cases.
| > | > | > | > Trying
| > | > | > | > | to program something as simple as time and date becomes a
| > | > | > mind-bending
| > | > | > | > | experience. Not because it needs to be ... it's because
the
| > | hacks
| > | > | > who
| > | > | > | > wrote
| > | > | > | > | the manuals don't themselves understand the terms that
they
| > are
| > | > | > using,
| > | > | > | > or
| > | > | > | > | perhaps are semi-clever agents dedicated to the demise of
| > DIYs.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | I used to think this sort of thing was only endemic among
| > | offshore
| > | > | > | > products
| > | > | > | > | designed and built by other than English speaking
engineers.
| > | Now,
| > | > I
| > | > | > | > have
| > | > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | whole new perspective on this issue.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | I know, I know ... this "stuff" is intended for
professional
| > | > | > installers
| > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > | they just enjoy the hell out of DIYs hanging out here,
| > twisting
| > | in
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > wind.
| > | > | > | > | My tenacity will prevail, in any case.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Maybe I'll put up a website and further illuminate this
| > | extremely
| > | > | > dark
| > | > | > | > | corridor of consumer electronics in the good ole yew ess
of
| > aay.
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[Mark Leuck]

Something you might also mention is that you don't program the panel except
by downloading because either you don't know how or know it is quite slow
which is part of this threads debate

Not a slam just an observation from previous posts from you