EOL's

[Nomen Nescio]

Doug L. said:

The bottom line is that the value of a resistor can change over a period of
time, even someone as obtuse as RLB should be able to understand that if you
start with a resistor that is 20% off its nominal value, it will take less
of a change to put its value outside the tolerance range of the control
panel than a resistor that starts off within 5% of its nominal value. This
in a nutshell is what I believe Al originally meant in the first place.

Doug has hit the nail on the head. Most of the comments have been about
the tolerance of the resistor, but what really counts is the tolerance of
the control panel. UL used to require an alarm if the flow of current in a
protection circuit increased or decreased by 50%, a carryover from the old
direct wire days, no doubt. Putting this in terms of EOLs, a variation of
20% from nominal values should not cause a problem. Obviously, this will
depend on the design parameters of the control panel circuitry. Anyone who
really cares can connect a potentiometer across the zone terminals of a
panel and determine the values at which the zone goes into trouble or
alarm.

A little bit of internet research will convince even the most inexperienced
technician that carbon resistors can change value over time, and that
carbon resistors are more likely to do this than carbon film resistors or
other types of resistor construction.

However, the tolerance marking on a resistor is not a lifetime guarantee
that the resistor will never change by more than the designated amount. It
is indeed a manufacturing tolerance, a representation by the manufacturer
that the actual resistance will not vary by more than the designated
tolerance from the marked value -- at the time of manufacture. The
resistor manufacturer obviously isn't going to guarantee that the resistor
will never, ever change by more than 5%, 10%, or whatever.

- badenov

 

[Frank Olson]

No Robert, the tolerance of a resistor applies to the percentage that
it may deviate from it's rating. And then all the other issues I
mentioned can apply. Carbon will change over time, especially when
subjected to heat and humidity. The tolerance applies to the
percentage of deviation from the value shown on the resistor. You know
what I meant.

I think Robert's actually right on this one. It's what they taught me
in my electronics class as well. I Googled some links for you to check
out. There's lots more out there.


http://mhuss.com/Resistors/
http://www.doctronics.co.uk/resistor.htm#colour
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_resistor.htm


Robert's an interesting individual and that's probably not saying enough
for some folks. I'm of the opinion that he's here for "kicks and
giggles" just like the rest of us. The only difference is his "version"
of it frequently involves blatant advertising of his services (where he
frequently misrepresents himself), attacks on anyone that objects to his
obnoxious behaviour (and this runs the gamut from subtle innuendo,
twisting facts, to outright lies) and (lately) posting huge "PR"
statements in an effort to achieve (so he says) "better search engine
positioning". Most of us have seen him in action. Norm Mugford had the
misfortune of meeting him at an ISC show. Robert's never been back to
another since then (I wonder why).

Robert's obviously had some installation experience. He was licensed in
CT for a number of years. These don't correlate to his stated
"experience in the trade", however. He has posted some meaningful
comment but even that is interspersed with direct attacks on other
participants in the group (even after long absences during which a
measure of calm and order is restored). His "true colours" come to the
fore though whenever someone has the temerity to post information about
him that's the least bit uncomplimentary. Knowing his penchant for
lying, I believe your version of the story, Al.

Welcome to the "IB".

Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com

 

[Robert L Bass]

However, the tolerance marking on a resistor is not

a lifetime guarantee that the resistor will never change
by more than the designated amount.

Correct. The tolerance marking has nothing to do with how much
it may change over time. That was Al's statement and he was (and
is) wrong. Tolerance is a measure of the amount a given resistor
may vary during manufacture, period.

It is indeed a manufacturing tolerance, a representation
by the manufacturer that the actual resistance will not
vary by more than the designated tolerance from the
marked value -- at the time of manufacture...

That is precisely what I said. It is also where Al was precisely
wrong.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Al Colombo]

Crash, I'm reserving those for Robert !!

Al

 

[Al Colombo]

Thanks, Frank.

I can assure you that Bass is not telling the truth on the issue.
including that of my work at SSI now or SDM before this. He has no
idea about my background. I think it's not that hard to tell a
"reporter" who writes about security from someone who's worked in the
field. I've never elaborated much in the news group or in any of the
mags concerning my past. Perhaps it's time to do that, not for Bass'
benefit, but so others know a little bit about where I come from. This
will be one of the longer posts I've made on the news group, so please
forgive.

I had my own company from 1974 through 1986. When I sold it, the name
of the firm was Alarm & Communications Co. I specialized in apartment
security as I was a Nutone Independent Installing Dealer as well as a
Nutone Service Center. I also held a distributorship with tekTone and
Faraday. I worked primarily with Napco burglar alarm systems in those
early days. In 1980 I studied and became a locksmith so I could offer
my retain clients not only a change of a 7- or 8-pin tubular lock, but
also a rekeying of their common mortise cylinder on their door(s) when
they got rid of an employee. I also did residential locksmithing but I
did not do auto.

My forte ended up within the industrial fire suppression and detection
sectors as I worked for about 7 of those 12 years for a large fire
suppression company who worked three states. I ended up selling my
company in 1986 to that firm and working for them for 3 1/2 years until
I took the full time position with SDM.

While I worked for that firm, I worked on burglar alarm systems (Napco
and Radionics), halon and co2 special hazard systems (Douglas
Randall/Kidde, Ansil), including common fire detection (Douglas
Randall/Kidde and Farada), in military computer rooms to large
industrial plants throughout Ohio, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania.
You can't help but pick up a thing or two with that kind of experience.
I also installed direct wire central station equipment in fire
departments, worked with direct circuit burglar alarms in
jewelry/retail and other high-risk apps, and I installed and repaired
the old Gamewell boxes and such that used McCullough loop receivers.

I re-entered the field in 2001 when I resigned from SDM. I ended up
working at a large electrical firm where I establshed a low-voltage
company. We were in the black in about 2 years and three months. I
resigned from there in the fall of 2004 when I signed on full time with
SSI.

To address the alarm problem/resistor issue itself, I don't even think
the original poster's problem was directly related to the EOL changing
it's resistance since he was referring to a burglar alarm system that
uses a closed loop. I posted my thoughts on that as well.

As far as tolerance goes, there's not a lot to discuss, really. If you
have a 1,000 ohm resistor and it has a 10% tolerance band, out of the
box it could be a anywhere from 900 to 1100 ohms in resistance.
Really, what else is there to say about tolerance? But my point was
this, if you are dealing with a 20% tolerance resistor, and given time
with heat and humidity, or an induced high current from a nearby
lightning strike, the variance from the required ohmage can vary even
wider. If you use a resistor with a tighter tolerance, say 10% or even
5%, you're to begin with closer to the ohmage you want so that a little
drift won't matter as much.

This was my point I was trying to get across in the begin with.
Thanks for letting me ramble on.



Al

 

[Al Colombo]

Michael,

Hello on President's day. Russ told you already what it is. It's ham
radio talk. Someone else mentioned 88's, which means hugs and kisses.
It's like an almost secret handshake that tells each party that they
are from the same club, so to speak.

Hope you are doing well.

Al

 

[Al Colombo]

It's my understanding that in certain parts of the country Lightning can be

a problem, the voltage and current that a nearby strike causes on the
protection loop blows the resistors...... Its been known to weld contacts
closed also......

This is one of the possibilities with regards to the original poster.
If there were a nearby lightning strike last summer, providing the
alarm site is in an area where lightning is common, the contacts could
have been lightly welded together so that when he began to work with
the switch, flexing it for example or merely inducing a vibration, it
could have released them. If the switch is magnetic, and it probably
is, the relatively high current could cause them to magnetically stick
together as well I suspect, but I'm not an switch engineer so we'll
leave that explanation to Sentrol or GRI.

In fact, the 53% increase in ohmage with regards to the EOL would point
to this possibility as well as the induced high current from the strike
would have created undue heat inside that EOL. The carbon would change
properties, gaining resistance in the process. Lightning does not
always burn resistors open, especially if the strike took place some
distance from the alarm system site.

As to why the initiating circuit was not damaged, perhaps there's an
MOV or a zener diode in the circuit that clamped the high voltage
current off before it reached the circuitry in the panel. Some boards
are designed with arc points as well at the terminals so such a high
voltage will simply circle and not enter the board.

Al

 

[Al Colombo]

In the old days we had electrolytics that would absorb moisture and
paper resistors that would to the same. I loaded an older 120 VAC
camera to my cousin, an extra clsss ham, and when the electrolytic
filter blew, he did not know what it was. He described the sound as a
hissing sound. I told him where it was and what to do and he fixed the
camera. He told me later that his training, being more recent, did not
include electrolytics, which I find hard to believe.

If you have kept your old radios in an environment with a fairly low
humidity level, it's possible not to have problems I suppose. Is that
the case with your basement?


Al

 

[Crash Gordon]

I thought so )))

You guys are all so kissy-face....

lollllllllllllllllll



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[Frank Olson]

Al Colombo wrote:

To address the alarm problem/resistor issue itself, I don't even think
the original poster's problem was directly related to the EOL changing
it's resistance since he was referring to a burglar alarm system that
uses a closed loop. I posted my thoughts on that as well.

As far as tolerance goes, there's not a lot to discuss, really. If you
have a 1,000 ohm resistor and it has a 10% tolerance band, out of the
box it could be a anywhere from 900 to 1100 ohms in resistance.
Really, what else is there to say about tolerance? But my point was
this, if you are dealing with a 20% tolerance resistor, and given time
with heat and humidity, or an induced high current from a nearby
lightning strike, the variance from the required ohmage can vary even
wider. If you use a resistor with a tighter tolerance, say 10% or even
5%, you're to begin with closer to the ohmage you want so that a little
drift won't matter as much.

I agree that a resistor with no tolerance band is probably going to
"drift" from it's original resistance over time. They're usually
manufactured from cheaper materials and that brings it into the realm of
"you get what you pay for". I also see where you were trying to go with
this (in your original response which Robert took such exception to and
which has grown all out of proportion). I think we should all learn to
be a bit more tolerant and not "jump" on the first wrong thing a person
says. There are nicer ways of saying "you're wrong" than flashing the
"you were never an installer so how would you know" card. I also know
I'm guilty of doing the very same thing when it comes to some of the
more idiotic things Robert says. He's managed to build quite the wall
over the years he's posted here and what's worse is, his ego won't allow
him to admit it not to mention everything he does admit winds up showing
up at a certain website (I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve it).

I never had any doubt about your experience. I have no doubt that
Robert installed and serviced systems as well. I just know he didn't
for as long as he says he did ("running" an alarm company is a whole lot
different than actually being "in the trade"). I know many alarm
company owners that install and service equipment. I also know many
that wouldn't know the first thing about programming something as simple
as a DSC PC-1555 let alone what a "Grabbit" is. Robert represents the
group in the middle (those with actual hands-on experience and some
installation knowledge). I think most of the people in this Newgroup
fall into this category.

It's interesting that he seems to think that continuing to misrepresent
his experience in the face of so much overwhelming evidence to the
contrary somehow gives him more credibility, when all it really does is
make him look more like a "wannabee". I can understand where "28 years
in the trade" is a whole lot more impressive to say than "15 years",
though. It's sort of like the "My dad can whip your dad" thing, or
comparing the size of your engine, length of your boat, make of your
car, speed of your computer.

This was my point I was trying to get across in the begin with.
Thanks for letting me ramble on.

Hey... I ain't the moderator. No need to thank me. Feel free to
"ramble on" anytime. That "Campbell Character" does it all the time.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Thanks, Frank.

I can assure you that Bass is not telling the truth on the issue.

I can assure you that Al is lying on this matter. He made up the
conversation to suit his own weak ego.

He has no idea about my background...

Your foreground being what it is, it's difficult even to see your
background.

I think it's not that hard to tell a "reporter" who writes
about security from someone who's worked in the
field.

I never said you hadn't worked in the field many years ago. I
said that most of the stuff you "write" is just quotes from what
others have written for you.

I've never elaborated much in the news group or in
any of the mags concerning my past. Perhaps it's
time to do that...

Yes, tell us about your "degree" as an engineer's assistant.
Which university was that?

This will be one of the longer posts I've made on the
news group, so please forgive.

All is forgiven (and most snipped)

I had my own company from 1974 through 1986. When I sold it, the name
of the firm was Alarm & Communications Co. I specialized in apartment
security as I was a Nutone Independent Installing Dealer as well as a
Nutone Service Center...

Ah, yes. Nutone Intercoms. They were junk even by the standards
at the time. I've ripped out more Nutone intercoms than I care
to recall. We'd bring sheet rock and lots of spackle every time
we replaced one since the old Nutones were huge, recessed boxes.

I've yet to see a 5-year old Nutone intercom that was still
working. I sell replacement parts for them only because most
people don't want to fix the huge holes that would be left in
their walls if they replaced them with better quality hardware.

If you were pushing Nutone I can understand why you had to get
out of the business. After a while it would take three service
techs for every installer just to keep up with the constantly
failing hardware.

I also held a distributorship with tekTone and Faraday.

That's nice. I have relationships with almost every major
manufacturer and distributor in the industry.

I worked primarily with Napco burglar alarm systems in
those early days...

Thank goodness you got that part right.

In 1980 I studied and became a locksmith ...

My forte ended up within the industrial fire suppression...

You were a plumber, too. What an interesting resume. When I get
back to Florida I'll give you a call. We have a drain that keeps
getting clogged and... :^)

and detection sectors as I worked for about 7 of those
12 years for a large fire suppression company who worked
three states. I ended up selling my company in 1986 to
that firm and working for them for 3 1/2 years until I took
the full time position with SDM.

Knowing how little SDM pays vs the potential income from
operating an alarm company, one wonders what problems led to your
dismissal.

While I worked for that firm...
--- snip ---
You can't help but pick up a thing or two with that kind
of experience...

Perhaps if you had learned a thing or two about resistor
tolerance I'd believe you.

I re-entered the field in 2001 when I resigned from SDM.

Why did they fire you? SDM is a pretty tolerant outfit. They
must have been really upset with you over something.

I ended up working at a large electrical firm where I
establshed a low-voltage company. We were in the
black in about 2 years and three months. I resigned
from there in the fall of 2004 when I signed on full
time with SSI.

So here you were, running a successful alarm company again and
yet you took a major pay cut to become a reporter for a third
rate trade mag? What's wrong with this picture, Al? Why is it
that every time you work for someone else you end up "resigning"
as soon as they are on their feet? Could it be that there's an
underlying personality disorder or are you just making this stuff
up?

To address the alarm problem/resistor issue itself, I don't even think
the original poster's problem was directly related to the EOL changing
it's resistance since he was referring to a burglar alarm system that
uses a closed loop. I posted my thoughts on that as well.

Yes, and you were wrong. You tried to explain resistor tolerance
as the issue, stating that the rated tolerance has to do with how
much the resistor will drift over time. Of course, that doesn't
explain anything at all since there are no resistors made with a
57% tolerance rating. Could it just possibly be that you were
simply wrong and that all the rest of this crap is an attempt to
avoid admitting the simple truth. You spoke "through your hat"
as the saying goes.

As far as tolerance goes, there's not a lot to discuss, really.
If you have a 1,000 ohm resistor and it has a 10% tolerance
band, out of the box it could be a anywhere from 900 to
1100 ohms in resistance.

Very good. That is what I tried to explain to you. You're
learning.

Really, what else is there to say about tolerance?

Not much at all.

But my point was this, if you are dealing with a 20% tolerance
resistor, and given time with heat and humidity, or an induced
high current from a nearby lightning strike, the variance from
the required ohmage can vary even wider.

Uh, no. That is not what you originally said, Al. You said that
the marked tolerance is an indication of how much the resistor
will drift over time. That is of course incorrect.

If you use a resistor with a tighter tolerance, say 10%
or even 5%, you're to begin with closer to the ohmage
you want so that a little drift won't matter as much.

There was nothing in the OP's post indicating a 20% tolerant
resistor was used. In fact, it was likely a 5% resistor since
that's what almost everyone uses.

This was my point I was trying to get across in the begin
with.

No, Al. That is not what you originally said. If you had put it
that way I'd have almost agreed except that I seriously doubt the
resistor changed by 57%.

Thanks for letting me ramble on.

Feel free to ramble at any time.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Robert L Bass]

This is one of the possibilities with regards to the original poster.
If there were a nearby lightning strike last summer, providing the
alarm site is in an area where lightning is common, the contacts could
have been lightly welded together so that when he began to work with
the switch, flexing it for example or merely inducing a vibration, it
could have released them. If the switch is magnetic, and it probably
is, the relatively high current could cause them to magnetically stick
together as well I suspect, but I'm not an switch engineer...

Clearly you're not an engineer. Lightning can weld magnetic
contacts open or shut. When it does, the switch won't restore by
"flexing it" since the actual switch is enclosed in a
hermetically sealed, glass capsule. It doesn't flex when you
move the leads or "work the switch". If it was responding to the
movement of the magnet in the first place, it wasn't welded. If
it was not responding, moving the magnet some more would not have
made it better.

In fact, the 53% increase in ohmage with regards to the
EOL would point to this possibility as well as the induced
high current from the strike would have created undue
heat inside that EOL...

Nice theory but it's wrong. If there had been a lightning hit
sufficient to alter the EOLR by 50% there would also have been
other damage to the system and/or the sensors. Resistors are
much more sturdy than magnetic contacts.

The carbon would change properties, gaining resistance
in the process. Lightning does not always burn resistors
open, especially if the strike took place some distance from
the alarm system site.

Wrong. See above.

As to why the initiating circuit was not damaged, perhaps
there's an MOV or a zener diode in the circuit that clamped
the high voltage current off before it reached the circuitry
in the panel...

Your understanding of lightning protection is exceeded by your
understanding of resistor tolerance.


--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Al Colombo]

Guess I lost my head there for a moment, didn't I?
I've regained my composure now and I feel much better,
although my X would argue whether I look any better


Al

 

[Bob Worthy]

I also see where you were trying to go with
this (in your original response which Robert took such exception to and
which has grown all out of proportion). I think we should all learn to
be a bit more tolerant and not "jump" on the first wrong thing a person
says. There are nicer ways of saying "you're wrong" than flashing the
"you were never an installer so how would you know" card.

It is one thing to make a correction for the benefit of the readers and yet
another to continue through the post making condescending remarks to
vertually everything and everyone he (bASS) posts to. I would say he has an
over inflated ego, but witnessing his antics, it is accompanied by some sort
of mental illness. I guess he feels like top dog while behind a keyboard.

I'm guilty of doing the very same thing when it comes to some of the
more idiotic things Robert says.

Difference is you, and I, and several others, only do it to him and usually
in retaliation for his blithering idiotic remarks.

I have no doubt that
Robert installed and serviced systems as well.

And when you are away from anything for a while, you get rusty and not
necessarily up on the latest and greatest equipment and methods, but yet he
continues to post as if he is still in the trade by posting in present
tense.

Robert represents the
group in the middle (those with actual hands-on experience and some
installation knowledge). I think most of the people in this Newgroup
fall into this category.

Nobody falls into the same category as RLB. He'll probably take that as a
compliment.

It's interesting that he seems to think that continuing to misrepresent
his experience in the face of so much overwhelming evidence to the
contrary somehow gives him more credibility,

The mental illness thing again.

when all it really does is
make him look more like a "wannabee".

Callin it the way you see it Frank?

I can understand where "28 years
in the trade" is a whole lot more impressive to say than "15 years",

Mental illness thing again.

 

[Bob Worthy]

in message

"Al Colombo"

He made up the
conversation to suit his own weak ego.

Was that comment necessary? Al has never flamed you that I know of.

Your foreground being what it is, it's difficult even to see your
background.

Being your same old self, I see Robert.

I never said you hadn't worked in the field many years ago.

Such as yourself.

I said that most of the stuff you "write" is just quotes from what
others have written for you.

Part of being a *reporter*. (reporter: to serve as a carrier of a message;
to relate the words or sense of something said) So what is your point,
Robert?

Yes, tell us about your "degree" as an engineer's assistant.
Which university was that?

Condescending remarks outline your true worth to humanity, Robert.

Ah, yes. Nutone Intercoms. They were junk even by the standards
at the time. I've ripped out more Nutone intercoms than I care
to recall. We'd bring sheet rock and lots of spackle every time
we replaced one since the old Nutones were huge, recessed boxes.

Should have sent them to Al for repair. I am sure the customer would have
been far happier than to have that patch job in house. To bad you didn't at
least have an alternative product to offer them.

I've yet to see a 5-year old Nutone intercom that was still
working.

Shows the level of your field experience.

I sell replacement parts for them only because most
people don't want to fix the huge holes that would be left in
their walls if they replaced them with better quality hardware.

You sell replacement parts because that is what you are in business to do.
What kind of BS are trying to push here Robert?

If you were pushing Nutone I can understand why you had to get
out of the business.

Let's send this thread to the Nutone rep here is Florida, Bob Mondor and see
if they are satisfied with RLB.

After a while it would take three service

techs for every installer just to keep up with the constantly
failing hardware.

Yah, I'll forward it.

That's nice. I have relationships with almost every major
manufacturer and distributor in the industry.

We already know that you were a lay mistress. A quote from RLB. Before I
went into the biz, I looked like
this....(I) After I got into the biz, with all my relationships, I now look
like this....(0).. or was that after you got out.

You were a plumber, too.

No, those are all your past buddies...hey hey hey

When I get
back to Florida I'll give you a call. We have a drain that keeps
getting clogged and...

That is just hamburger grease, try drinking some degreaser :^)

Knowing how little SDM pays vs the potential income from
operating an alarm company, one wonders what problems led to your
dismissal.

Why would **one** give two hoots? It is what it is.

Perhaps if you had learned a thing or two about resistor
tolerance I'd believe you.

Why would making a mistake or a statement that was left open to
interpetation be reason for you to not believe anything he has to say, other
than you simply being you.

Why did they fire you?

Where did you get that? I don't see it in his statement or any statement he
made in this post.

SDM is a pretty tolerant outfit.

As if you know.

So here you were, running a successful alarm company again and
yet you took a major pay cut to become a reporter for a third
rate trade mag? What's wrong with this picture, Al?

What is wrong is that you are trying to spin something that isn't there.
Stop and think people make career changes for many different reasons. While
I am copying NuTone maybe Mike Zawinski would like to know what the founder
of, what ever webstore you are calling it today, thinks of SSI.

Why is it
that every time you work for someone else you end up "resigning"
as soon as they are on their feet?

Ever stop to think that the challenge to some is to get companies on their
feet and when that happens the challenge is over? On to the next one.

Could it be that there's an
underlying personality disorder or are you just making this stuff
up?

Or are you just try to dig up a reaction so that you can continue your
sarcasm.

Feel free to ramble at any time.

And if you continue to reply with sarcasm and condescending remarks, I will
be there to out your over inflated ego mixed with some sort of mental
impairment.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Another day just chaulk full of kicks and
giggles!!!!!! Keep um coming Robert.

 

[Norm Mugford]

Mr. Bass

You're way out of line.

Mr. Colombo is not deserving of your rude remarks.

Norm Mugford

I can assure you that Al is lying on this matter. He made up the
conversation to suit his own weak ego.


Your foreground being what it is, it's difficult even to see your
background.


I never said you hadn't worked in the field many years ago. I
said that most of the stuff you "write" is just quotes from what
others have written for you.


Yes, tell us about your "degree" as an engineer's assistant.
Which university was that?


All is forgiven (and most snipped)


Ah, yes. Nutone Intercoms. They were junk even by the standards
at the time. I've ripped out more Nutone intercoms than I care
to recall. We'd bring sheet rock and lots of spackle every time
we replaced one since the old Nutones were huge, recessed boxes.

I've yet to see a 5-year old Nutone intercom that was still
working. I sell replacement parts for them only because most
people don't want to fix the huge holes that would be left in
their walls if they replaced them with better quality hardware.

If you were pushing Nutone I can understand why you had to get
out of the business. After a while it would take three service
techs for every installer just to keep up with the constantly
failing hardware.


That's nice. I have relationships with almost every major
manufacturer and distributor in the industry.


Thank goodness you got that part right.


You were a plumber, too. What an interesting resume. When I get
back to Florida I'll give you a call. We have a drain that keeps
getting clogged and... :^)


Knowing how little SDM pays vs the potential income from
operating an alarm company, one wonders what problems led to your
dismissal.


Perhaps if you had learned a thing or two about resistor
tolerance I'd believe you.


Why did they fire you? SDM is a pretty tolerant outfit. They
must have been really upset with you over something.


So here you were, running a successful alarm company again and
yet you took a major pay cut to become a reporter for a third
rate trade mag? What's wrong with this picture, Al? Why is it
that every time you work for someone else you end up "resigning"
as soon as they are on their feet? Could it be that there's an
underlying personality disorder or are you just making this stuff
up?


Yes, and you were wrong. You tried to explain resistor tolerance
as the issue, stating that the rated tolerance has to do with how
much the resistor will drift over time. Of course, that doesn't
explain anything at all since there are no resistors made with a
57% tolerance rating. Could it just possibly be that you were
simply wrong and that all the rest of this crap is an attempt to
avoid admitting the simple truth. You spoke "through your hat"
as the saying goes.


Very good. That is what I tried to explain to you. You're
learning.


Not much at all.


Uh, no. That is not what you originally said, Al. You said that
the marked tolerance is an indication of how much the resistor
will drift over time. That is of course incorrect.


There was nothing in the OP's post indicating a 20% tolerant
resistor was used. In fact, it was likely a 5% resistor since
that's what almost everyone uses.


No, Al. That is not what you originally said. If you had put it
that way I'd have almost agreed except that I seriously doubt the
resistor changed by 57%.


Feel free to ramble at any time.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

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[Michael Baker]

Ah ha! Thanks.

 

[Michael Baker]

Hi Al,

Happy P-day. I'm doing much better now that I'm in Houston and out of
Chicago - brrr.

Have fun,

Mike

 

[mikey]

What's he got his balls all tied in a knot over this time?
Al, you're not going to sucked in by all this and write about his
operation, are you? There's no such thing as bad publicity,
you know, he'll profit.

On 20 Feb 2006 04:27:57 -0800, to "Al Colombo"

yer mother wears army boots or something like that


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"Al Colombo"

Was that comment necessary? Al has never flamed you that I know of.



Being your same old self, I see Robert.


Such as yourself.



Part of being a *reporter*. (reporter: to serve as a carrier of a
message;
to relate the words or sense of something said) So what is your point,
Robert?


Condescending remarks outline your true worth to humanity, Robert.


Should have sent them to Al for repair. I am sure the customer would have
been far happier than to have that patch job in house. To bad you didn't
at
least have an alternative product to offer them.


Shows the level of your field experience.


You sell replacement parts because that is what you are in business to
do.
What kind of BS are trying to push here Robert?


Let's send this thread to the Nutone rep here is Florida, Bob Mondor and
see
if they are satisfied with RLB.

After a while it would take three service

Yah, I'll forward it.


We already know that you were a lay mistress. A quote from RLB. Before I
went into the biz, I looked like
this....(I) After I got into the biz, with all my relationships, I now
look
like this....(0).. or was that after you got out.


No, those are all your past buddies...hey hey hey


That is just hamburger grease, try drinking some degreaser :^)



Why would **one** give two hoots? It is what it is.


Why would making a mistake or a statement that was left open to
interpetation be reason for you to not believe anything he has to say,
other
than you simply being you.

Where did you get that? I don't see it in his statement or any statement
he
made in this post.


As if you know.


What is wrong is that you are trying to spin something that isn't there.
Stop and think people make career changes for many different reasons.
While
I am copying NuTone maybe Mike Zawinski would like to know what the
founder
of, what ever webstore you are calling it today, thinks of SSI.


Ever stop to think that the challenge to some is to get companies on
their
feet and when that happens the challenge is over? On to the next one.


Or are you just try to dig up a reaction so that you can continue your
sarcasm.


And if you continue to reply with sarcasm and condescending remarks, I
will
be there to out your over inflated ego mixed with some sort of mental
impairment.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Another day just chaulk full of kicks
and
giggles!!!!!! Keep um coming Robert.