how to design programmble slew rate control circuit for electronic load

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Tony Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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OTA is difficult to buy,and I have some conventional amp,so I
hope use convertional amp to build it.I very need your help.

A programmed hard-clamp of the voltage into the
integrator resistor is an alternative way. Not so
elegant as the OTA, but possibly good enough for
your application. Requires four opamps.

R1 R2 R3 R4
Vin +-/\/\-+-/\/\--------+--/\/\--+--/\/\---+-->Vout
| | _ | |
| | / -|-+ |
| +--<OP1| |
| \_+|--+0v |
| |
| (+Vc-Vd) |
| _|_ |
| _ D1/_\ |
+--|- \ R5 | R6 C1 |
|OP2>--/\/\-+-/\/\--+---||----+
0v+--|+_/ _|_ | _ |
D2/_\ +--|- \ |
| |OP3>--+
(-Vc+Vd) 0v+-|+_/


(+Vc-Vd)/|\ /|\(-Vc+Vd)
| |
R7 | | R8
-15v -/\/\--+ +--/\/\- +15v
| |
Vc +----|>|---+-/\/\--+---/\/\---+--|>|--+
D3 R9 | R10 D4 |
| _ |
+--|- \ |
|OP4>-----------+ -Vc
0v+--|+_/

Vc= slewing rate control voltage, 0-10v.

Vout slewing rate = Vc/R6*C1, Volts/Sec.

R1=R2, R3=R4, R9=R10, say 10k each.

R5=R7=R8, value not less than 15v/5mA.

Haven't decided on the ratio of R5:R6 yet.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] wrote...
OTA is difficult to buy ...

Newark has it in stock, as does Farnell UK. So it's easily
available worldwide from all the InOne company sites, single
pieces for £0.48 from the UK site, $1.51 from the US Newark.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Tony Williams wrote...
A programmed hard-clamp of the voltage into the integrator
resistor is an alternative way. Not so elegant as the OTA,
but possibly good enough for your application.

R1 R2 R3 R4
Vin +-/\/\-+-/\/\--------+--/\/\--+--/\/\---+-->Vout
| | _ | |
| | / -|-+ |
| +--<OP1| |
| \_+|--+0v |
| |
| (+Vc-Vd) |
| _|_ |
| _ D1/_\ |
+--|- \ R5 | R6 C1 |
|OP2>--/\/\-+-/\/\--+---||----+
0v+--|+_/ _|_ | _ |
D2/_\ +--|- \ |
| |OP3>--+
(-Vc+Vd) 0v+-|+_/


(+Vc-Vd)/|\ /|\(-Vc+Vd)
| |
R7 | | R8
-15v -/\/\--+ +--/\/\- +15v
| |
Vc +----|>|---+-/\/\--+---/\/\---+--|>|--+
D3 R9 | R10 D4 |
| _ |
+--|- \ |
|OP4>-----------+ -Vc
0v+--|+_/

Vc= slewing rate control voltage, 0-10v.
Vout slewing rate = Vc/R6*C1, Volts/Sec.
R1=R2, R3=R4, R9=R10, say 10k each.
R5=R7=R8, value not less than 15v/5mA.
Haven't decided on the ratio of R5:R6 yet.

The problem with this approach is the diodes, of course, and
their lack of a sharp cutoff. Whereas the transconductance
amplifier circuit could be programmed accurately over nearly
a four-decade range, the diodes would restrict one to about
two decades, or even less depending on the accuracy spec.
This issue can be solved by adding more parts, in this case
a set of nearly-perfect active rectifiers.

.. R1 R2 R3 R4
.. Vin o-/\/\-+-/\/\--------+--/\/\--+--/\/\---+--> Vout
.. | | __ | |
.. | | / -|-' |
.. | '--< | |
.. | \_+|-- 0v |
.. | __ |
.. '--|- \ R5 R6 C1 |
.. | >--/\/\-+--/\/\-+---||----+
.. 0v --|+_/ | | __ |
.. | '--|- \ |
.. Vclamp __ | | >--'
.. o-+-------|+ \ D1 | 0v -|+_/
.. | | >--+--|<|--+ __
.. | ,--|-_/ | +-----|+ \
.. | | D2 | | | >--, Vnode
.. | +---|<|---' R7 | ,--|-_/ |
.. | '--------/\/\---- |--+---------+
.. | __ | |
.. | ,----|+ \ D3 | |
.. | | | >--+--|>|--' |
.. | | ,--|-_/ | |
.. | | | D4 | |
.. | | +---|>|---' R8 |
.. | | '--------/\/\------------------'
.. | '----------------,
.. | R9 R10 |
.. '---/\/\--+--/\/\---+
.. | __ |
.. '--|- \ |
.. | >--' -Vclamp
.. 0v --|+_/

I warned notstop it was a lot more complex this way.
 
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Tony Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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R1 R2 R3 R4
Vin +-/\/\-+-/\/\--------+--/\/\--+--/\/\---+-->Vout
| | _ | |
| | / -|-+ |
| +--<OP1| |
| \_+|--+0v |
| |
| (+Vc-Vd) |
| _|_ |
| _ D1/_\ |
+--|- \ R5 | R6 C1 |
|OP2>--/\/\-+-/\/\--+---||----+
0v+--|+_/ _|_ | _ |
D2/_\ +--|- \ |
| |OP3>--+
(-Vc+Vd) 0v+-|+_/

The problem with this approach is the diodes, of course, and
their lack of a sharp cutoff.[/QUOTE]

The saving grace Win is that OPA2 runs wide open and
switches up/down like a comparator rather than an opamp.
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Tony Williams wrote...
The saving grace Win is that OPA2 runs wide open and
switches up/down like a comparator rather than an opamp.

I recognize that, a nice touch, but the problem is accurately
creating 100mV clamp voltages to get a simple 2-decade range,
let alone 10mV or 1mV clamp voltages, hence active rectifiers.
But if the OP only needs a 20:1 or perhaps 50:1 range ...
 
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Tony Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Winfield Hill said:
I recognize that, a nice touch, but the problem is accurately
creating 100mV clamp voltages to get a simple 2-decade range,
let alone 10mV or 1mV clamp voltages, hence active rectifiers.
But if the OP only needs a 20:1 or perhaps 50:1 range ...

Ah, ok. I see what you are getting at. I had assumed
a relatively crude range of adjustment, (and got stuck
in the 'getting it into 1 quad opamp' mode).
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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Tony Williams said:
Ah, ok. I see what you are getting at. I had assumed
a relatively crude range of adjustment, (and got stuck
in the 'getting it into 1 quad opamp' mode).

You can delete OP1, swap OP2 inputs, change R1/R2 ratio, connect R1 to
ground and then make OP2 minus input the input.

I guess there's also something clever to do around the follower and the 2
negative clamp opamps to reduce the count by one more, but I've not found
something satisfactory.

Still it'll remain 5 opamps.
 
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Ken Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bartoli said:
Still it'll remain 5 opamps.




How about this as a slew rate limiter:

Vcc 1/3 4053
! +Va -------- ---!!---
\ o--!X1 ! ! !
/ ! Y0!---/\/\--+-!-\ !
\ o--!X0 ! ! >---+
Vin ----!-\ ! -Vb ! ! GND---!+/ !
! >--+---------!A ! !
--!+/ -------- op-amp !
! Comp !
--------------------------------------------

When the circuit is in the resting state, there is a very small saw-tooth
on the output. You trade this for the softness of the circuit with
diodes.

It should work over a couple of decades.
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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Ken Smith said:
Fred Bartoli
[....]
Still it'll remain 5 opamps.




How about this as a slew rate limiter:

Vcc 1/3 4053
! +Va -------- ---!!---
\ o--!X1 ! ! !
/ ! Y0!---/\/\--+-!-\ !
\ o--!X0 ! ! >---+
Vin ----!-\ ! -Vb ! ! GND---!+/ !
! >--+---------!A ! !
--!+/ -------- op-amp !
! Comp !
--------------------------------------------

When the circuit is in the resting state, there is a very small saw-tooth
on the output. You trade this for the softness of the circuit with
diodes.

It should work over a couple of decades.


Nice idea. Adding a bit of signal to the feedback (say 10-20mV/100kHz-1MHz)
will help reduce output ripple.
The HF ripple will be easily filtered out if necessary.
 
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