hybrid cars milage

[mab010]

sure the hybrids are bigger more roomy but they don't get any more gas
mileage than older cars. in a time when gas prices are high like they are
more mileage would be nice. don't get me wrong I just bought a 2005 Saturn
relay. since I owned my geo I now have a family of 5. it is rated at 24 mpg.
to compensate this thanksgiving we made a 300 mile trip I dropped my speed
to 63 instead of 75 mile per hour.with a 1 hour delay in traffic I averaged
30.miles per gallon.
i am sorry for the misunderstanding I meant my geo got better mph so it
produced less emissions than the hybrid.I was thinking that the emissions
for the hybrid was the selling point. thanks for the reply.

 

[Chris Hill]

sure the hybrids are bigger more roomy but they don't get any more gas
mileage than older cars. in a time when gas prices are high like they are
more mileage would be nice. don't get me wrong I just bought a 2005 Saturn
relay. since I owned my geo I now have a family of 5. it is rated at 24 mpg.
to compensate this thanksgiving we made a 300 mile trip I dropped my speed
to 63 instead of 75 mile per hour.with a 1 hour delay in traffic I averaged
30.miles per gallon.
i am sorry for the misunderstanding I meant my geo got better mph so it
produced less emissions than the hybrid.I was thinking that the emissions
for the hybrid was the selling point. thanks for the reply.

It is. Your geo when tested especially in city driving would produce
a lot more emmissions than a hybrid. City driving is where hybrids
shine the most.

 

[mab010]

I HAVE READ THAT HYBRIDS TEND TO LOOSE THEY'RE EFFIENTCY ON THE HIGHWAY.
BECAUSE THE MOTORS TEND TO BE UNDER POWERED. ( NOT ALL). WHEN YOU ARE ON THE
HIGHWAY THE ELECTRIC MOTOR CANNOT RUN AS EFFECTIVELY.SO YOU ARE RUNNING A
BIGGER CAR WITH A SMALLER MOTOR ON THE HIGHWAY.I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS
MOST PEOPLE TEND TO BY BIGGER CARS FOR ROAD TRIPS.BECAUSE THE RIDE IS
BETTER.IF WE ARE LOOKING AT MILES PER GALLON IN THE CITY.I THINK YOU ARE
RIGHT.HOWEVER THAT BIG PIRUS CAT PARK EVERYWHERE THAT TINY LITTLE METRO CAN.
HA HA... JUST JOKING. BY THE WAY I DO MOST HIGHWAY DRIVING.

 

[Chris Hill]

I HAVE READ THAT HYBRIDS TEND TO LOOSE THEY'RE EFFIENTCY ON THE HIGHWAY.
BECAUSE THE MOTORS TEND TO BE UNDER POWERED. ( NOT ALL). WHEN YOU ARE ON THE
HIGHWAY THE ELECTRIC MOTOR CANNOT RUN AS EFFECTIVELY.SO YOU ARE RUNNING A
BIGGER CAR WITH A SMALLER MOTOR ON THE HIGHWAY.I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS
MOST PEOPLE TEND TO BY BIGGER CARS FOR ROAD TRIPS.BECAUSE THE RIDE IS
BETTER.IF WE ARE LOOKING AT MILES PER GALLON IN THE CITY.I THINK YOU ARE
RIGHT.HOWEVER THAT BIG PIRUS CAT PARK EVERYWHERE THAT TINY LITTLE METRO CAN.
HA HA... JUST JOKING. BY THE WAY I DO MOST HIGHWAY DRIVING.

Doesn't lose efficiency, just doesn't have all the power some might
want over a steady state. Frankly, this argument is bogus here in the
midwest; it keeps up with traffic, and'll do 9 over the 70mph limit
without running out of juice. Its mileage advantage is less on the
highway, but our prius can still get 50mpg on a 220 mile highway trip.
Besides that, you don't have to shift it, and can haul four adults
without any of them griping about running out of room.

If you want something really efficient to haul one person on the
highway, forget the car and buy a motorcycle.

 

[mab010]

well according to the pirus owner he said I should get a motorcycle.the only
thing is bogus is you.if I get a motorcycle. lets say Harley-Davidson.it
gets 50 to 60mpg.it will still get less emissions than your pirus.so I guess
we all should get one of those hybrid I mean half-breed pieces of crap and
save the world.get your dam facts straight . I am saying the dam thing does
not get anymore gasmilage than cars from the past. yes there smaller.so
f---ing what.you might know something about a pirus but you don't no crap
about anything else.

And the Prius will probably last more then 4-5 years
also.

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[Gene S. Berkowitz]

well according to the pirus owner he said I should get a motorcycle.the only
thing is bogus is you.if I get a motorcycle. lets say Harley-Davidson.it
gets 50 to 60mpg.it will still get less emissions than your pirus.so I guess
we all should get one of those hybrid I mean half-breed pieces of crap and
save the world.get your dam facts straight . I am saying the dam thing does
not get anymore gasmilage than cars from the past. yes there smaller.so
f---ing what.you might know something about a pirus but you don't no crap
about anything else.

I don't think anyone here believes that a Harley Davidson is a very
efficient form of transportation, with an engine that
can barely run at idle without stalling, and more horsepower wasted as
sound pressure than should be allowed by law.

What everyone has been trying to pass through the wax in your ears is
that a Prius, with a curb weight of 2890 lbs, and a carrying capacity
of 5 adults gets over 60 mpg.

A Geo Metro weighs 1690 lbs and can only carry four adults.
So, per pound of mass transported per gallon of gas, a Prius is almost
twice as efficient. It's also not a stripped down piece of crap like a
Metro.

--Gene

 

[mab010]

thank for your words. I am not trying to knock hybrids. I just get mad at
people when they don't listen.the only complaint I really have with hybrids
they cost more to operate than the same car with a gas engine. some figures
I have seen with the mileage increase of the hybrid and the regular version
you only get a penny a mile for the hybrid. at that rate you would have to
drive 100000 miles to break even for the hybrid option.this was on a Honda
version.I am of the school that there are old cars that still get great gas
mileage are an option. I have bought a Nissan altima for 1200.00$ 40mpg. now
to me that is even better that a 15000.00$ pirus or a 6000.00 metro. that
way you're money ahead.

 

[mike wilcox]

well according to the pirus owner he said I should get a motorcycle.the only
thing is bogus is you.if I get a motorcycle. lets say Harley-Davidson.it
gets 50 to 60mpg.it will still get less emissions than your pirus.so I guess
we all should get one of those hybrid I mean half-breed pieces of crap and
save the world.get your dam facts straight . I am saying the dam thing does
not get anymore gasmilage than cars from the past. yes there smaller.so
f---ing what.you might know something about a pirus but you don't no crap
about anything else.

And the Prius will probably last more then 4-5 years
also.

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Bullshit, motorcycle engines are not covered by the same emissions laws
as cars and are far dirtier. With a Harley the engine (1200-1400cc)is
almost as big as what's in the Prius @1500cc.

 

[mike wilcox]

thank for your words. I am not trying to knock hybrids. I just get mad at
people when they don't listen.the only complaint I really have with hybrids
they cost more to operate than the same car with a gas engine.

Crap my friend, the combined mpg of a prius is the best you can get
period for any five seater midsized car in North America and the second
best for any sized car sold in North America.

some figures

I have seen with the mileage increase of the hybrid and the regular version
you only get a penny a mile for the hybrid. at that rate you would have to
drive 100000 miles to break even for the hybrid option.

Nope, the Prius gets 60/City-51/Highway-55/Combined. Toyota does not
make a Non-Hybrid version of the Prius, the closest model to the Prius
Toyota makes is the Camry, which gets 24mpg/City-34/Highway-27/Combined.
As you can see the Prius gets twice the combined MPG as the Camry.

this was on a Honda

version.I am of the school that there are old cars that still get great gas
mileage are an option. I have bought a Nissan altima for 1200.00$ 40mpg. now
to me that is even better that a 15000.00$ pirus or a 6000.00 metro. that
way you're money ahead.
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Sure you can buy a used car, but then you are comparing apples with
oranges, a fairer comparison would be between a new comparably sized
Nissan to the Prius. For example the newest Nissan Sentra gets 28/City-
35/highway, the Altima with the smallest engine gets 24/city-31/highway
35. So in your best case scenario, the Prius gets 36mpg better than the
Nissan around town and 17 mpg more on the highway.

 

[Derek Broughton]

A Geo Metro weighs 1690 lbs and can only carry four adults.
So, per pound of mass transported per gallon of gas, a Prius is almost
twice as efficient. It's also not a stripped down piece of crap like a
Metro.

There's a nutbar in this neighborhood who drives a lime-green Metro, with
one of those loud "muscle car" tail pipes and a huge airfoil - mounted on
the roof because there's no trunk.

Even if you can make it walk like a duck and quack like a duck, sometimes
you just don't get a duck...

 

[Derek Broughton]

"Over 60" ? I have not seen that yet on any unmodified ones.... 51 to
55 is what I normally hear. Sure, there are the guys making it a
"plug-In", but that doesn't really count.

Who would do that? The batteries will only take it a kilometer or so, so it
seems unlikely that anyone really makes it a plug-in.

"60" MPG, even if the majorities DID get that high, is also NOT
"double" the MPG over the Prius by anyones mathematics.

Did he say mpg?

Funny how these discussions always bring out peoples personal beliefs.

So his numbers are a little suspect - because transporting the extra vehicle
weight with better mileage is no great achievement, but it _does_ carry
more payload with better mileage - still a significantly higher
"mass-distance transported per gallon". Some people let personal beliefs
blind them to facts.

 

[Derek Broughton]

well according to the pirus owner he said I should get a motorcycle.the
only thing is bogus is you.if I get a motorcycle. lets say
Harley-Davidson.it gets 50 to 60mpg.it will still get less emissions than
your pirus.

On what do you base that assumption? Motorcycles don't have the emissions
controls that cars have.

 

[Vaughn Simon]

mab010 wrote:
Nope, the Prius gets 60/City-51/Highway-55/Combined. Toyota does not make
a Non-Hybrid version of the Prius, the closest model to the Prius Toyota
makes is the Camry, which gets 24mpg/City-34/Highway-27/Combined.
As you can see the Prius gets twice the combined MPG as the Camry.

I suggest that you speak with a bit more precision. The Prius does not
"get" 60/51/55 mpg any more than the Camry "gets" 24/34/27. You are
apparently quoting EPA figures, which are better used for comparison between
vehicles than as an estimate of real-world gas mileage. The only way to
"get" the EPA mileage is to mount your car on a fixed dyno and drive the EPA
cycle precisely.

Actually, a recent Consumers Digest article showed that real-world gas
mileage for hybrids trails their EPA mileage by a larger percentage than
conventional vehicles. As I recall, the Civic is the biggest offender,
missing its EPA mileage by some 25%.

I have nothing against hybrids, the Prius in particular is an
engineering work of art. I may well own a hybrid someday, but we owe it to
ourselves to keep reality firmly in mind.

Vaughn

 

[mab010]

YOU ARE NOT GAINING YOU ARE MIRLY BREAKING EVEN ON THE MILEAGE ISSUE.GIVE ME
A CAR THAT WILL GET 70 TO 90 MPG I WILL BY IT. I THINK THE STUDY I LOOKED AT
WAS A CIVIC.BUT FOR A PENNEY A MILE IT IS NOT WORTH IT. LIKE I SAID
100000MILE BEFORE YOU START SAVE MONEY ON THE OPTION YOU BOUGHT.IF YOU DON'T
DRIVE THE CAR THAT FAR IN MY OPINION YOU MIGHT AS WELL GIVE YOUR MONEY TO
HONDA. THAT IS MY POINT. SAVE MONEY DECREASE POLLUTION . AND HAVE A
SATISFACTORY VEHICLE.

 

[Dave Hinz]

YOU ARE NOT GAINING YOU ARE MIRLY BREAKING EVEN ON THE MILEAGE ISSUE.

Please turn off the caps-lock; there is no need to shout.

 

[Derek Broughton]

YOU ARE NOT GAINING YOU ARE MIRLY BREAKING EVEN

Stop yelling, stop top-posting. And learn to spell.

 

[John Gilmer]

Maybe it's time for folks to pull that old practical joke whereby the joker
secretly adds some gas every day to the gas tank of the guy who like to brag
about his mileage. The "free" gas continue until even the "victim" almost
doesn't believe his mileage numbers.

THEN the joker starts taking gas OUT of the victim's car.

 

[Vaughn]

I don't think anyone here believes that a Harley Davidson is a very
efficient form of transportation,

I agree, they do little better on gas mileage than a small car. On a
typical Harley, the EPA mpg was 39/49, with a 1540 CC engine. That thing costs
some $16,000!

with an engine that
can barely run at idle without stalling,

I don't know where that comes from. The V-twin engine is asymmetric
radially, and therefore idles with a characteristic "loping" sound. AFAIK, it
has no more problem idling than any other motorcycle engine.

and more horsepower wasted as
sound pressure than should be allowed by law.

Of course, that is what sells it.

What everyone has been trying to pass through the wax in your ears is
that a Prius, with a curb weight of 2890 lbs, and a carrying capacity
of 5 adults gets over 60 mpg.

Get more than its EPA mpg? Not with any regularity.

Vaughn

 

[mike wilcox]

I suggest that you speak with a bit more precision. The Prius does not
"get" 60/51/55 mpg any more than the Camry "gets" 24/34/27. You are
apparently quoting EPA figures, which are better used for comparison between
vehicles than as an estimate of real-world gas mileage. The only way to
"get" the EPA mileage is to mount your car on a fixed dyno and drive the EPA
cycle precisely.

Actually, a recent Consumers Digest article showed that real-world gas
mileage for hybrids trails their EPA mileage by a larger percentage than
conventional vehicles. As I recall, the Civic is the biggest offender,
missing its EPA mileage by some 25%.

I have nothing against hybrids, the Prius in particular is an
engineering work of art. I may well own a hybrid someday, but we owe it to
ourselves to keep reality firmly in mind.

Vaughn

This comes up a lot in mpg comparisons, but it doesn't matter if the EPA
figures are out by 5% or 50%, the ratio between vehicles mileage ratings
would be the same because each vehicle is tested exactly the same way.

 

[mike wilcox]

Vaughn Simon wrote:




Yep...... This is where people get in trouble. Some of "Those figures"
are really wacked. A while back, someone pointed to a "hybrid website",
which had a "comparison" of sorts that would allow you to put in your
vehicle and compare it to the Prius.

Problem is, the Prius numbers displayed with the wind at its back, and
every other vehicle must have been listed with MPG's into a 100 MPH
headwind. The data was just plain Wrong, as is often the case. Yet,
some people choose to really believe it.

The best way to see what something REALLY gets is to know a few
trustworthy and truthful people (seems many tend to inflate reality) or
search the web for USERS who make statements about their mileage. THEN,
you still have to weigh things out accordingly.

I have not seen references from newsgroup contibutors that indicate
routinely 60MPG city........ I HAVE seen a LOT of people who are LESS
than thrilled because they themselves have not been able to reach the
"numbers" proclaimed by the manufacturer.

The first poster IS correct to that extent.... Sure, its wonderful,
great, but as he likely knows, there were some mid 80's plain jane cars
that could do 45 on the road, no batteries, no radical electronics, no
future radical costs. I myself wonder what those cars will be worth
when the battery pack is finally kapuut. After all, if people are SO
energy aware, they should be in favor of KEEPING a car like that ON the
road rather than wasting energy melting it down to make a new one.

It will be interesting to say the least, to see where it goes.... Could
be the way of the Renault Fuego or Yugo....

Grummy

For the EPA's figures to be "wacked" for the Prius they would have to be
wacked for every car they test, because the test is the same. The point
is the ratio would be the same, if the EPA was off 20% for the Prius it
would be 20% off for all of them.

Very few cars available in North America during the mid 80's got 45 mpg
that were not compact econocars. As for keeping the Prius for a long
period, Very few people keep the same car for 16 years. The battery pack
is under warranty for 8 years, blow it up at 8 years they give you a new
one and you're good for another 8 years.