[josephkk]

When they buy fuel they are paying for roads.

When they pay their shipping charges, they are supporting railway costs.

When they pay utility bills that includes infrastructure costs.

Mikek

That is an incomplete picture. Trucks pay additional fees at weigh
stations, and it often adds up to over $10,000 and more per year. Find a
truck driver and ask.

-)

 

[josephkk]

No, we should withhold paychecks to politicians until the end of
their terms. If there's no money left in the budget, then they're just
out of luck.

Oooh, i like that.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

Pay them .01% of any budget surplus.

No. That is the contribution to their retirement, and nothing else. A
defined contribution plan that they so like now.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

The audio's a lot worse than the transcript. Obama was mocking,
caustic, sarcastic.

"You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who
think, well, it must be because 'I was just so smart.' There are a lot
of smart people out there. 'It must be because I worked harder than
everybody else.' Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch
of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)" --BHO

Where do i get the audio (or full av)?

?-)

 

[amdx]

That is an incomplete picture. Trucks pay additional fees at weigh
stations, and it often adds up to over $10,000 and more per year. Find a
truck driver and ask.

-)

The truck doesn't pay that $10,000, the end purchaser of the products
pay it.
Mikek

 

[[email protected]]

Which one? (BTW, you're wrong, by a mile)

Incorrect, that was Ariana Huffington. Who went to jail as well. YCLIU

Ariana Huffington? You mean as in the Huffington Post? ;-) You're closer
but the quote is from Leona Helmsley.

 

[[email protected]]

The truck doesn't pay that $10,000, the end purchaser of the products
pay it.

....as they should. What's wrong with the users paying for the infrastructure?
It is part of the product or service.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Automation is a key factor in bringing manufacturing back to North
America. This is good news for technologists like sed members, but not
so much for Joe Sixpack.

The dollars in manufacturing never really left (look at portion of GDP
that manufacturing represents * GDP). It was higher in 2008 than in
1980 in real terms.

The US currency has been manipulated sharply downward in real terms,
the wealth of the lower paid workers pretty much obliterated, so costs
in the US are now lower than in some developing countries for more
things.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2069/ho...s-hispanics-blacks-household-wealth-disparity

Median net worth in the US is now lower than just about any other
developed country (average worth looks a lot better).

 

[amdx]

There's fairly little incentive to accumulate any net worth
for a large cross-section of the U.S. population; all essentials
from food to shelter to retirement and medical services are
guaranteed by the gov't.

Ya, the government has killed a lot of incentive with all the
entitlements.
Mikek

 

[Mike]

The dollars in manufacturing never really left (look at portion of GDP
that manufacturing represents * GDP). It was higher in 2008 than in
1980 in real terms.

Millions of jobs disappeared when manufacturing moved to China and other
countries, such as India. The term "outsourcing" became part of the
language.

The US currency has been manipulated sharply downward in real terms,
the wealth of the lower paid workers pretty much obliterated, so costs
in the US are now lower than in some developing countries for more
things.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2069/housing-bubble-subprime-mortgages-hisp
anics-blacks-household-wealth-disparity

Median net worth in the US is now lower than just about any other
developed country (average worth looks a lot better).

Those points are debatable. They have little or nothing to do with job
creation.

Automation is bringing some manufacturing back to North America. But very
few jobs, and mainly for technical fields.

People are still out of work. Many of them will remain so. Tax policy has
little effect on employment when companies have learned how to eliminate
jobs through automation.

 

[Jamie]

I don't have to bullshit, and I don't brown nose.



I've known a few like that. They don't last.



Sure. Cambridge Instruments had one notorious example, for a while, and
EMI Central Research had several. My then boss and I had fun deflating
one of them.



Sure. Smart people don't have much trouble recognising the type and
distinguishing it from people who do know what they are talking about.

It's a pity you aren't that smart.



You too.

I don't want to burst your inflated falsehood ego, however, I am a
little more conscience about reality than you'll ever be.

You are as transparent as a window with no glass in it.

Jamie

 

[josephkk]

Unless those are port of entry stations, trucks pay fines for being
overweight, not fees

And you have never seen a truck sporting a sign talking about the fees it
pays in addition to fuel taxes? Somehow i don't find that all that
credible. As i said talk to an actual trucker.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

The truck doesn't pay that $10,000, the end purchaser of the products
pay it.
Mikek

Also true, but it impacts the truckers tax returns.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

Millions of jobs disappeared when manufacturing moved to China and other
countries, such as India. The term "outsourcing" became part of the
language.


Those points are debatable. They have little or nothing to do with job
creation.

Automation is bringing some manufacturing back to North America. But very
few jobs, and mainly for technical fields.

People are still out of work. Many of them will remain so. Tax policy has
little effect on employment when companies have learned how to eliminate
jobs through automation.

Jack six-pack and his cohorts are going the way of the dodos. They see it
and don't like it. The real trend is BS or better to get any job better
than construction laborer of mickydees drone. Really decent jobs are
getting to MS or better. Get the grades or be sidelined to the dole.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

There's a longer version, but it's painful.

I checked both versions and several commentaries. Romney is really
ripping Obama on this one. And Romney sounds good to anybody who would
rather work for a living.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

Why do you troll feed Slowman? Feeling inadequate yourself ?

...Jim Thompson

I would rather not have to read responses to Slowman, but in this case i
cut James A. some slack. Slowman's wrong headedness needed checked in
this case.

?-)

 

[Martin Brown]

Sounds good. Now where are the studies that show that this wishful
thinking is actually true.

Dan

Surveys in just about every other country show that health is improved
by the medical equivalent of the proverb "a stitch in time saves nine".

A small dental carie caught early requires at most a quick bit of drill
and fill. But if ignored until the pain is unbearable there is risk of
abscesses, blood poisoning and all sorts of complications like Ludwigs
angina which is life threatening and incredibly expensive to treat.

Another example many countries like the UK provide free eye tests for
adults genetically predisposed to glaucoma because it saves a lot of
money and lost productivity by preventing unnecessary blindness in those
that cannot afford to have annual eye tests. Same applies to genetically
linked breast cancer and some other common ailments.

It is possible that in the USA that it will not work since the national
preoccupation with overeating and high fructose corn syrup drinks means
that obesity, type II diabetes, hip/knee failure and hypertension are
the norm. A health service can only help to keep a population healthy if
they actually cooperate.

It says a lot about the enormous power of junk food corporations that
the main Olympic sponsors are McDonalds, Coke and Cadbury. How ironic
for an event that is supposedly all about athletic prowess and fitness.

Most people elsewhere in the world are happy to pay for a free at the
time of greatest need medical service and *never* have to use it in
anger. They usually have some sort of co-pay system of nominal fees to
avoid having time-wasters and hypochondriacs clogging up the system.

America is a great place to be healthy and wealthy but lose either one
and you will surely lose the other.

 

[Les Cargill]

Automation has decreased the demand for labor that can be done by
those with an average I.Q.

that's really not clear. I expect the oilfield workers in North Dakota
don't all have to have PhDs.

The "demand" has declined fastest in the Facebooks and Googles of the
world, for reasons that are also not clear ( other than that sometimes,
more people just get in the way ).

In the example of Facebook and Google, they end up aggregating the
efforts of *unpaid workers*, whether that means content
contributors or open source "slaves". Nothing wrong with
that but it doesn't move any money around.

The idea that we will eventually find something for him or her to do
is wishful thinking. There are only so many jobs flipping
hamburgers.

For some reason, we used to have less of that problem than we do now.
I submit that there might be a good explanation why, but it's not
easy to point to.

 

[Les Cargill]

What percentage of the US population work in oilfields?

More than used to.

 

[Les Cargill]

No kidding. A sign to hire machinist has been up for over a year,
and another for a foreman at a commercial electrical contractor has been
up for over two years.

Chances are very good they can't get out of their own way
in the hiring process - although they don't hardly make
machinists any more.

One candidate for our school board was on the radio this morning and
he wants the vocational courses expanded.

most of the people I went to high school with did not go to college
until much later. Most did the VoTech thing.

Maybe that was then, this is now, but most claim it was a lot harder to
do later and they regret the decision to not go to college
straight out of school.

To make a good wage as a machinist or an electrician, or to make
it past your knees going out, you really need to be pointed at starting
your own company. you won't get that in VoTech,