Sallen Key Low Pass Filter, bandpass filter

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so looked through some of the random bits I've got these are IC's see what you guys think I'm looking them up too!
one a big chip:
8511 2 TEA 330 EF6805R3P 1230016001A x1
PBL 372618 y909 x2
T74LS257BI 88506 x2
CD4013AF RCA 040 x1
CD 4012B x1
MC74F175N KK8728 XANA x1
ML 8205(possibly S) AE x4
H8648 CD 4025BCJ MM 5625 BJ x 3
KS74HTLS139N x1
 

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Hello,

All those numbers don't tell me much.
Do you have links to the datasheets?
What do you intend to do with those chips?

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don't know at the moment what I want to do with them, random parts would like to find a use for them somehow
 

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theres an 8 bit micro-computer
speech circuits
2 multiplexing chips
d type flip-flop
a quad d flip-flop
comos nand gate
tone ringers
Presettable Synchronous 4-Bit Up/Down Counters
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Oooo, we could have a quiz - everyone lists a dozen 'random devices' and we guess what could be done with them.


Not.
 

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yeah why not!! great idea

anywho I've found this quad op amp the band width is 1.2 for the chip I'm thinking of getting and 40 on the one that https://tools.analog.com/en/filterwizard/ recommends. I probably know the answer but I'm asking anyway woult this optional chip work for the application that I want.

but then again I won't even be filtering 1MHz so I think it would do the job to be fair

Where is the voltage range please??

Number of channels 4
Total supply voltage (+5 V = 5, ±5 V = 10) (max) (V) 32
Total supply voltage (+5 V = 5, ±5 V = 10) (min) (V) 3 Rail-to-rail In to V-
GBW (typ) (MHz) 1.2
Slew rate (typ) (V/µs) 0.5
Vos (offset voltage at 25°C) (max) (mV) 7
Iq per channel (typ) (mA) 0.175
Vn at 1 kHz (typ) (nV√Hz) 35
Rating Catalog
Operating temperature range (°C) 0 to 70
Features Standard Amps
Input bias current (max) (pA) 250000
CMRR (typ) (dB) 80
Iout (typ) (A) 0.04 Architecture Bipolar
Input common mode headroom (to negative supply) (typ) (V) 0
Input common mode headroom (to positive supply) (typ) (V) -1.5
Output swing headroom (to negative supply) (typ) (V) 0.005
Output swing headroom (to positive supply) (typ) (V) -2
 

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anywho I've found this quad op amp the band width is 1.2 for the chip I'm thinking of getting and 40 on the one that https://tools.analog.com/en/filterwizard/ recommends.
No specific op amp shown onthe page your link points to.
Where is the voltage range please??
Open your eyes or put on your glasses:
Total supply voltage (+5 V = 5, ±5 V = 10) (max) (V) 32
Total supply voltage (+5 V = 5, ±5 V = 10) (min) (V) 3 Rail-to-rail In to V-

Feel free to select any opamp from e.g. this list of 4 channel (and a few 6 channel) opamps.
 

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No specific op amp shown onthe page your link points to. it recommends the LT6023

I'll look at the ones in the link you posted thank you

No specific op amp shown onthe page your link points to.

Open your eyes or put on your glasses:


Feel free to select any opamp from e.g. this list of 4 channel (and a few 6 channel) opamps.
does that mean that the range is 20v

are there adapters that accomodate for the size ie to make them fit on protoboard I think there should be ?
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like this but for 14 pin the ones I'm thinking of getting are the ones I'm thinking of getting are the soic 14 and then some of these adapters there cheap enough and on that list so I'm recon I'm good to go!
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Adapters of this kind are readily available. Enter e.g. "soic dil adapter" in your favorite search engine.

Or buy a through hole opamp, see e.g. this list.
For this application you can imho use any opamp with sufficient bandwith (> 100 kHz). There's no need for a fany ultra-low-noie or ultra-high-frequency type or anything in that direction.
All you need is rail-to-rail operation if you have a single power supply. Contruction may be easier when using a dual power supply (+-).

To be frank: I think this project - at least in the current state - is beyond your level of understanding (theory of opamps, filters, processors).
By no means do I want to discourage you, but I'd like to suggest you change your line of action and learn on your way:
Instead of trying to build the full project in one giant step - thereby risking loss of all components if it doesn't work (and chances are good it won't work instantly) - use a step-by-step approach.
  1. build a signal amplifier that picks up the aufio signal from the source you are going to use (microphone, line-i, ...?) and amplifies it to a level the LM3914 can handle. You'll probably have to learn a lot while building tjis circuit. Opamps are deceptively simple when you look at the standard circuits, but opamps can nevertheless be tricky to handle when it comes to the fine details like e.g. stability of the amplifier without ringing or, worse, self-oscillation due to improper feednack circuits.
  2. Build a single channel VU-meter to display the signal from the amplifier by the LM3914 in a way that pleases your estetics.
  3. If necessary (very probable) debug these circuits and tweak components until it operates as your expect.
  4. Build a first single filter e.g. for the bass range. Insert the filter into your signal chain and check that the response displayed by the LM3914 matches your expectations, which in this case should be a display of the bass tones' volume only.
  5. Once this works go on and build the remaining filters and display circuits for the remaining channels. You may even consider designing a modular PCB with filter and display circuit which is customized to different frequencies by populating the filter with different components. The have 20 or so of these PCBs manufactures (not so expensive nowadays). The simply assemble the PCBs (solder components to them) and combine with power supply and signal amplifier (step 1 from above list) for the full spectrum analyzer.
In my opinion your chances to complete this project to your satisfaction are much better using such (or similar) modular approach.
 

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so I bought some chips and adapters don't worry too much I'm constanlty learning and I end up getting it when I hear the same things said in different ways the penny drops I'm going to filter a channel/column to work at a time have faith in me!

I have a session on my project tomorrow (building my inverter) (which is in my other thread))got the parts, printed off protoboard on paper, got the layout sussed. I will try and take some photos. its coming together!

you have pretty much summed up what I was going to do any way but that is good because at least I know I'm on the correct trajectory

Adapters of this kind are readily available. Enter e.g. "soic dil adapter" in your favorite search engine.

Or buy a through hole opamp, see e.g. this list.
For this application you can imho use any opamp with sufficient bandwith (> 100 kHz). There's no need for a fany ultra-low-noie or ultra-high-frequency type or anything in that direction.
All you need is rail-to-rail operation if you have a single power supply. Contruction may be easier when using a dual power supply (+-).

To be frank: I think this project - at least in the current state - is beyond your level of understanding (theory of opamps, filters, processors).
By no means do I want to discourage you, but I'd like to suggest you change your line of action and learn on your way:
Instead of trying to build the full project in one giant step - thereby risking loss of all components if it doesn't work (and chances are good it won't work instantly) - use a step-by-step approach.
  1. build a signal amplifier that picks up the aufio signal from the source you are going to use (microphone, line-i, ...?) and amplifies it to a level the LM3914 can handle. You'll probably have to learn a lot while building tjis circuit. Opamps are deceptively simple when you look at the standard circuits, but opamps can nevertheless be tricky to handle when it comes to the fine details like e.g. stability of the amplifier without ringing or, worse, self-oscillation due to improper feednack circuits.
  2. Build a single channel VU-meter to display the signal from the amplifier by the LM3914 in a way that pleases your estetics.
  3. If necessary (very probable) debug these circuits and tweak components until it operates as your expect.
  4. Build a first single filter e.g. for the bass range. Insert the filter into your signal chain and check that the response displayed by the LM3914 matches your expectations, which in this case should be a display of the bass tones' volume only.
  5. Once this works go on and build the remaining filters and display circuits for the remaining channels. You may even consider designing a modular PCB with filter and display circuit which is customized to different frequencies by populating the filter with different components. The have 20 or so of these PCBs manufactures (not so expensive nowadays). The simply assemble the PCBs (solder components to them) and combine with power supply and signal amplifier (step 1 from above list) for the full spectrum analyzer.
In my opinion your chances to complete this project to your satisfaction are much better using such (or similar) modular approach.

plus the parts were cheap enough so loss is no big problem

I want to have a switch that switches between mic in and line-in in the end

I am going to be soldering in headers so I can switch out the components easily
 

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fair enough, thanks can you suggest a pre-amplifier, I have a microphone in my elegoo 50 projects for £50! but I want to get this one now

how do you find out the parameters of the pre-amp

or this, it supports upto 20kHz!

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Hello,

If you want quad opamps in DIL housing, have a look at the TL074 or TL084.

Bertus
 

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