Sheet metal knockout punches

[krw]

TTI-made-in-China Rigid-branded tools *are* effectively a Home Despot
brand since they are (were?) made exclusively for them, so I'm afraid
I have to disagree with your blanket statement.

No they are certainly not. I interviewed with them[*] last year and
they certainly will disagree, as well.

[*] I don't do layout so they weren't much interested.

 

[krw]

Agreed, Makita is expensive, but no more so, at least here, than other
pro grade tools. The irritating thing is that all the jap power tools
seem to be good, + the fact we make nothing anywhere near approaching it
in this country. Brit machine tools were sold all over the world and
what have we now ?. Nothing, basically.

Maybe it's different there, but here they're more expensive than
others of the same quality. ...and there are plenty better.

There are times when you buy cheap tools to get a job done because
you're skint, but always on the understanding that it will most likely
need to be replaced. Much more fun to buy quality, look after it and use
it for a lifetime ...

But every cheap tool I've held onto far too long because it's even
harder to buy one that really works if you have one that sorta works.
It was years before I replaced my Crapsman circular saw even though it
couldn't cut a straight line in butter. The fist time I used a Ryobi
(what can I say, the wife bought it as a present) it was like night
and day. Last year I replaced that with the Dewalt rear swivel.
Again, it's like night and day.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

TTI-made-in-China Rigid-branded tools *are* effectively a Home Despot
brand since they are (were?) made exclusively for them, so I'm afraid
I have to disagree with your blanket statement.

No they are certainly not. I interviewed with them[*] last year and
they certainly will disagree, as well.

[*] I don't do layout so they weren't much interested.

I don't think you understand. I did not say that TTI made *all* of
Rigid's tools. I said they made "Rigid (for Home Depot)"
quote/unquote. This wording was quite deliberate, and avoided getting
into all the details while illustrating one of the brands TTI
manufactures/d. Here is a link to a paper covering this, if you are
interested in understanding what is a major shift in the industry:

http://www.teleos-inc.com/pdfs/wp/Wal-Mart_Effect_Intro.pdf

Are you claiming that those Rigid tools are not made in South China?
If so, you are quite incorrect; I have seen it with my own eyes.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[krw]

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:22:16 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:39 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"


ChrisQ wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


That is one of the cheaper models. That is the same price as each of
the drills I bought, without the toy light or molded case. The absolute
worst cordless drills I've seen was my first one, a yellow plastic piece
of crap from Rockwell, and some 'Coleman Powermate' drills that were
given to me. They were store returns, and I've wonder if they were
actually returned, or thrown through the store windows. One had a
broken output shaft from the gearbox. The other had some wires that were
never connected. I 'fixed' that one and have seven batteries, but but
it makes anything else look good.



I know we would all like to buy kit made locally, but the very best
power tools you can buy, imho, are Makita. I have bought both new and
s/hand from machinery auctions and boot sales. The secondhand ones
always get stripped, cleaned and relubed before use and you should see
the internals. Invariably ball or roller bearings on all shafts and
generously proportioned motors, which never seem to have any wear on the
commutators, irrespective of age. You can look at it with an engineers
critical eye and find little to find fault with. Some of the Bosch kit
is not bad as well and even some of the Black & Decker stuff, so long as
it's been made at the Scintilla subsiduary in Switzerland, but much of
the B&D stuff is rubbish.

It's the old story - buy cheap, buy twice ...


I still have a B&D drill I bought in 1970. I have four or five of
them, all from the 60s though the early '80s that have seen a lot of
rough service I wore out one chuck, and several power cords. All US
made.

I thought that Makita is chinese made these days? Or is it Ryobi?

Makita is a Japanese company, but of course they make tools in China.

Ryobi is a bit more of a story.. they used to be Japanese, but they
now are owned by a company called TTI, which makes such brand-name
"stuff" as Homelite, Milwaukee, Rigid (for Home Depot) etc... all in
South China. Founded by a European and a Chinese fellow about 25 years
ago.

Rigid is a US company. They're out of the Cleveland area and they are
*not* a HomeDespot brand.

TTI-made-in-China Rigid-branded tools *are* effectively a Home Despot
brand since they are (were?) made exclusively for them, so I'm afraid
I have to disagree with your blanket statement.

No they are certainly not. I interviewed with them[*] last year and
they certainly will disagree, as well.

[*] I don't do layout so they weren't much interested.

I don't think you understand. I did not say that TTI made *all* of
Rigid's tools. I said they made "Rigid (for Home Depot)"
quote/unquote. This wording was quite deliberate, and avoided getting
into all the details while illustrating one of the brands TTI
manufactures/d. Here is a link to a paper covering this, if you are
interested in understanding what is a major shift in the industry:

http://www.teleos-inc.com/pdfs/wp/Wal-Mart_Effect_Intro.pdf

Are you claiming that those Rigid tools are not made in South China?
If so, you are quite incorrect; I have seen it with my own eyes.

No, I'm claiming that 1) Rigid is not a Chinese company (it is US
company with development in Ohio). 2) Rigid is not a house brand for
HomeDespot. I have no doubt they outsource manufacturing to anyone
willing to do the job for the price.

 

[krw]

I liked the HF review site. I have one of those butane torches that
somehow now fails to work. Damn, a waste of $2. ;-) That 2/3 of the
way to a backlit DVM.

I looked a few of the HF things I have. None have reviews.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

No, I'm claiming that 1) Rigid is not a Chinese company (it is US
company with development in Ohio). 2) Rigid is not a house brand for
HomeDespot. I have no doubt they outsource manufacturing to anyone
willing to do the job for the price.

Rigid was around long before Home Depot as well as long before we were
doing any kind of Chinese outsourcing of that nature.

Sure, they'll stoop with all the competition flowing in. They had to
change their entire mo back in the early '80s.

Your fucking brain is a despot, name morph boy.

 

[krw]

Rigid was around long before Home Depot as well as long before we were
doing any kind of Chinese outsourcing of that nature.

Duh! What a moron, you are DimBulb.

Sure, they'll stoop with all the competition flowing in. They had to
change their entire mo back in the early '80s.

As if that was somehow an important addition to this thread...

Your fucking brain is a despot, name morph boy.

"Morph"? Nymbecile calling *me* "morph boy"? You're just too stupid
for words, AlwaysWrong.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

"Morph"? Nymbecile calling *me* "morph boy"? You're just too stupid
for words, AlwaysWrong.

It was your stupid reference to Home Depot, you absolute retard.

You are sooooo fucking slow to have missed that one.

 

[krw]

It was your stupid reference to Home Depot, you absolute retard.

AlwaysWrong strikes again. I suppose being illiterate explains your
being always wrong, AlwaysWrong.

You are sooooo fucking slow to have missed that one.

....but keep it up, DimBUlb, I'm having fun showing everyone how really
stupid you are.

 

[JosephKK]

Their also almost twice the price of a standard knockout.

Cheers

The Greenlee products i used worked better, and lasted many times
longer than the competitors. Less labor time and lower capital long
term tool costs, try that idea. That is why Greenlee is still in
business.

 

[JosephKK]

Naaah! They really were _breadboards_ ;-)

...Jim Thompson

And the enclosures were breadboxes. 8)

 

[JosephKK]

Same here. I got my own copy in the late 70s through a friend in
the US. It says that it's the 4th edition, 1952 - reproduced
under direction of RCA in April 1953. I had it rebound later and
it's still in very good shape. Still comes in useful for some
things.

How well does it cover the then newest microwave devices like BWOs and
TWTs?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Not much of a stretch. In my youth, chasses were hard to come by, and
expensive. You young guys have probably never seen them, but I built
many a circuit in tobacco or candy tins.

...Jim Thompson

Sucrets

http://www.sucrets.com/

 

[JosephKK]

Now that you've brought up their name, I looked at their prices
for Q-Max punches and they are much more reasonable. Roughly 50%
more than in the UK, but I guess that's to be expected. I may not
have to impose on my friend in the US after all.

(Strange though that even when I selected the US, prices are
still given in UKP. Prices for India are given in Indian rupee).

That is straight forward enough, localization can easily be provided
by decoding your IP address or what it resolves to with ARP and RARP.

 

[Ian Bell]

Sucrets

http://www.sucrets.com/

I used OXO tins

http://www.vintagehomesouthport.co.uk/Browse-Our-Shop/Other/

Cheers

Ian

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

I used OXO tins

http://www.vintagehomesouthport.co.uk/Browse-Our-Shop/Other/

Cheers

Ian

Is that candy? Mints? lozenges? what?

 

[Ian Bell]

Is that candy? Mints? lozenges? what?

Beef extract

Cheers

Ian

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

Beef extract

Cheers

Ian

Bullion tins? Wow.

 

[JosephKK]

I made some wood cabinets out of wood I salvaged from grape crates.

Yep, kids these days are depraved on account of how they are deprived
(of having to learn some of the many ways of how to make do with what
is available, to get what is wanted).