Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier

[Mitch]

Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier
A Stochastic Resonator Pulse Supply

I'm hoping to find a collaborative group to design, test, revise (in
ongoing round trips for several months) a simple schematic for
amplifying the random noise of Zener current, and using the random
noise to switch a power MOSFET (or such) with as narrow a pulse as
practical.

Rather than general chat/antichat on the topic, I'd hope to gather a
protagonistic group toward a project posted here...

http://www.groupkos.com/eso/tiki-index.php?page=Stochastic+Pulse+Amplifier

Or contact off-list mitch @ groupKOS.com


Warm regards,
DonEMitchell

 

[Luhan]

Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier
A Stochastic Resonator Pulse Supply

I'm hoping to find a collaborative group to design, test, revise (in
ongoing round trips for several months) a simple schematic for
amplifying the random noise of Zener current, and using the random
noise to switch a power MOSFET (or such) with as narrow a pulse as
practical.

Rather than general chat/antichat on the topic, I'd hope to gather a
protagonistic group toward a project posted here...

http://www.groupkos.com/eso/tiki-index.php?page=Stochastic+Pulse+Amplifier

Or contact off-list mitch @ groupKOS.com

So you want a random number generator?

Luhan

 

[John Woodgate]

So you want a random number generator?

Plus winding details for non-inductive coils. Next week, constructional
details for capacitors that don't store charge, and superconducting
resistors.

 

[martin griffith]

Plus winding details for non-inductive coils. Next week, constructional
details for capacitors that don't store charge, and superconducting
resistors.

Lots of big words in the article, but:

So how much noise is generated by the zener, D2 in draft 1.
R3 looks like a variable short circuit to me.



martin

 

[Fred Bartoli]

martin griffith a écrit :

Lots of big words in the article, but:

So how much noise is generated by the zener, D2 in draft 1.
R3 looks like a variable short circuit to me.



martin

Well, there's much more.
Probably something like the 7 (hundred) hidden errors and I'm sure Win
wouldn't have dreamed such a sum of bad ideas circuit.

Also there's no need for an accomplished engineer to optimize this
circuit: it's quite an accomplishment in itself

 

[John Woodgate]

Lots of big words in the article, but:

So how much noise is generated by the zener, D2 in draft 1.
R3 looks like a variable short circuit to me.

It's all utter rubbish.

 

[Don Foreman]

Simple Open-source Random Pulse Amplifier
A Stochastic Resonator Pulse Supply

I'm hoping to find a collaborative group to design, test, revise (in
ongoing round trips for several months) a simple schematic for
amplifying the random noise of Zener current, and using the random
noise to switch a power MOSFET (or such) with as narrow a pulse as
practical.

Rather than general chat/antichat on the topic, I'd hope to gather a
protagonistic group toward a project posted here...

http://www.groupkos.com/eso/tiki-index.php?page=Stochastic+Pulse+Amplifier

Or contact off-list mitch @ groupKOS.com


Warm regards,
DonEMitchell

The writeup at the URL makes no sense to me. The system which
contains no harmonic energy, once pumped to a threshold....?????

Perhaps it would be best if interpretation of the write up is left to
you, and you just say what kind of pulses you want. Do you want
pulses of random duration, random time of occurance, or both? Does
"pulse" connote fixed amplitude -- either "on" or "off"?

What is or are the random parameters -- time of onset, duration,
number of pulses per second, or ???? What kind of statistical
distribution are you after for your stochastic variable(s) --
Gaussian, linear, or something else?

 

[martin griffith]

It's all utter rubbish.

Thats why I gave up after finding 2 errors. The site also needs to be
translated into english


martin

 

[Winfield Hill]

Fred Bartoli wrote...

martin griffith a écrit :

Well, there's much more.
Probably something like the 7 (hundred) hidden errors and I'm
sure Win wouldn't have dreamed such a sum of bad ideas circuit.

Also there's no need for an accomplished engineer to optimize
this circuit: it's quite an accomplishment in itself

Yes! Thanks, Fred, I have saved the drawing in my bad
circuits! candidate folder. It's a real douzy! Not a
good omen for Open-source circuit design, whatever that is.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Fred Bartoli wrote...

Yes! Thanks, Fred, I have saved the drawing in my bad
circuits! candidate folder. It's a real douzy! Not a
good omen for Open-source circuit design, whatever that is.

I hadn't been following this thread. Bwahahahahahaha!

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Woodgate]

Yes! Thanks, Fred, I have saved the drawing in my bad
circuits! candidate folder. It's a real douzy! Not a
good omen for Open-source circuit design, whatever that is.

The text on the site is a typical melange of technical phrases more or
lest scattered at random. The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did this sort of
thing. Once you see the words 'vacuum energy' (you DID see them, didn't
you?) with no explanation how this 'pulse generator' could affect or
liberate it, especially via a non-inductive coil, your sc/kepticism gene
should switch to flank speed astern.

 

[martin griffith]

martin griffith a écrit :

Well, there's much more.
Probably something like the 7 (hundred) hidden errors and I'm sure Win
wouldn't have dreamed such a sum of bad ideas circuit.

Also there's no need for an accomplished engineer to optimize this
circuit: it's quite an accomplishment in itself

Yes indeed, I was wondering how they are powering this crap, maybe a
78L15 as a shunt regulator?


martin

 

[Frank Bemelman]

R3 looks like a variable short circuit to me.

Actually, I think it is rather clever. It will certainly
teach the end users to stop fiddling with the pots

Hmm, a pot, a small window comparator, and string of 555's
that turn on crowbars all over the place. And a very inviting
label near the pot, something like "Spatial Bass Enhancement".

 

[ehsjr]

Plus winding details for non-inductive coils. Next week, constructional
details for capacitors that don't store charge, and superconducting
resistors.

I particulary like this requirement:
"Maximum pulse repetition rate through maximizing
the settling time after a pulse."

Ed

 

[Mitch]

Hi Luhan,

No, not a random number genertor, but a random pulse generator--white
noise amplifier. The current peak delivered by the circuit needs to be
very high and very short.

A sea shell will "pink" the "white" noise at the sea shore as a
harmonic chamber.

The "pinking" influence of various piezocrystal-magnetic resonant
circuits is the intended use, but the use has nothing to do with the
circuit design... which is simply to deliver maximum current in minimum
time to a low resistance device, at a very high pulse rate per second
(several dozen kiloHertz perhaps).

The white noise of the Zener current is a nice source of randomness...
as I understand from my amateur level of electronics. The variable
potentiometer is "suggested" to adjust the Zener current. The op-amp
is only a suggested black box that will trigger the MOSFET at various
"pinking" parameters of the white noise.

Any suggestion of the errors to be corrected in the "suggested"
schematic at the link would be appreciated. As noted in the article,
there are errors, and the request was to suggest improved versions
based only on the circuit suggested.

As well, I don't understand the drawing programs, like SPICE, or
electronic design, and I hope to attract someone that can be the
project engineer... all voluntary, of course.


Cheers,
DonEMitchell

 

[Mitch]

Hi Don Foreman,

Thanks for your questions.

The pulse distribution would be as close as possible to being a mirror
of the randomness of the Zener current.

A Zener is a quantum tunnel device as I understand it, true?

The "randomnes" of the source of quantum fuzziness is the character of
the pulse distribution.

The amplitude and duration is not yet realized. The project circuit is
posted as a suggestion, and as such has already weeded out many
antagonists from well meaning protagonistic advise.

I understand the Zener clamping diode (spike protection) is backwards,
true? As I learn details (and perhaps I should be in a beginners forum
rather that with the august big dogs) I'd hope to link words to
definition pages... this is toward helping the novice realize the
design components purposes.

There is a lot of scientific research outside of electronics in the
science of system dynamics. Search the http://groupkos.com/eso wiki
for "chaos and bifurcation" for various links. A frog's ear uses Hopf
bifurcation effect to couple with faint sound and ignore louder sounds
(a faint insect buzz in the raucous din of pond life). A PA system
turned up to the threshold of feed-back is a course analogy of Hopf
bifurcation. There is a couple of good articles on randomness
stabilizing determinant systems in the Esoterica Articles.

The coupling with the illusive gravity wave and piezocrystals (saphire)
is a current project in Australia. A friend in Alaska has repeated the
success of Wilbert Smith of Canada, circa 1950s using piezo-magnetic
resonance.

Back to bad electronics... can you suggest corrections for version two,
with a focus on selection of practical and affordable components?

Thanks!

Cheers,
DonEMitchell

 

[Mitch]

Hey Ed!

You mean the "flux capacitor" (hehehe). That's one bit of psience
fiction I haven't posted anywhere yet... based on a magnetic array
technique that will lock two magnetic iron squares together with a
levitated separation, each have a center hole: a stack of these in
pyramidal form... sacred geometry and all that stuff.

There is a patent on a moebius strip resitor that will also crank your
skeptical-gene... the moebius resistor is actually a circular strip
capacitor that has a half-twist which makes it one surface, and as such
has a resonant frequency proportional to the length of the
circumference... while the capacitance goes away at resonance when the
traveling wave meets its tail.

Plus the Caduceus winding is well known outside of consumer electronics
circles, also patented as a toroidal Caduceus winding.

Thanks for all the laughs. Back to bad electronics now --and the
request to help make good electronics from the pool of engineering
minds in the know... a group thing.

Tell me how to fix whats wrong, please... the obvious problems first,
then round-trip through design tests and subsequent versions.


Cheers,
DonEMitchell

p.s.
The measure of the group-project advocate is as to whether when his
skeptical gene is activated, that it doesn't activate his fight nor
flight response, and instead invokes a curiousity which overcomes
sycophantisms aimed at meriting group allegiance with the
antagonistical and subjectivly ascertained big dogs of the respective
interest group... I've been doing email groups for eight years... same
old stuff always happens

See my Yahoo forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KMTech

 

[Fred Bloggs]

The measure of the group-project advocate is as to whether when his
skeptical gene is activated, that it doesn't activate his fight nor
flight response, and instead invokes a curiousity which overcomes
sycophantisms aimed at meriting group allegiance with the
antagonistical and subjectivly ascertained big dogs of the respective
interest group... I've been doing email groups for eight years... same
old stuff always happens

You're obviously a victim of severe psychotic confusion resulting from
some sort of serious shortcomings in mental development. Whatever you
do, please stay out of politics.

 

[John Fields]

Tell me how to fix whats wrong, please... the obvious problems first,
then round-trip through design tests and subsequent versions.

---
Your most glaring error is that you're top-posting your replies.
Learn how to bottom and in-line post if you expect much help from
us.

Some of the remaining errors are:

1. With R3 at 0%, VP will be connected to ground through R3, which
means that you'll need a power supply which can source infinite
current through the zero ohms of R3.

2. D2 is in backwards.

3. There is no such thing as a "0µH" inductor.

4. R2 and C1 will only slow up the circuit.

5. Your opamp will "rail"

6.

 

[Don Foreman]

Hi Don Foreman,

Thanks for your questions.

The pulse distribution would be as close as possible to being a mirror
of the randomness of the Zener current.

A Zener is a quantum tunnel device as I understand it, true?

The "randomnes" of the source of quantum fuzziness is the character of
the pulse distribution.

The amplitude and duration is not yet realized. The project circuit is
posted as a suggestion, and as such has already weeded out many
antagonists from well meaning protagonistic advise.

Let's separate the problem from proposed solutions for a moment. In
other words, fuggedabout the zener for now, and define what you want
in terms of excitation. Might this be pulses of known voltage and
duration occurring at random times, like random injections of a
quantum of energy? If so, should they be bipolar or is a DC
component OK?

Once we sort out what is wanted, then we can worry about how to
realize it. There are several ways to get randomness.

I understand the Zener clamping diode (spike protection) is backwards,
true? As I learn details (and perhaps I should be in a beginners forum
rather that with the august big dogs) I'd hope to link words to
definition pages... this is toward helping the novice realize the
design components purposes.

We're all beginners at something until we quit learning.

There is a lot of scientific research outside of electronics in the
science of system dynamics. Search the http://groupkos.com/eso wiki
for "chaos and bifurcation" for various links. A frog's ear uses Hopf
bifurcation effect to couple with faint sound and ignore louder sounds
(a faint insect buzz in the raucous din of pond life). A PA system
turned up to the threshold of feed-back is a course analogy of Hopf
bifurcation. There is a couple of good articles on randomness
stabilizing determinant systems in the Esoterica Articles.

The coupling with the illusive gravity wave and piezocrystals (saphire)
is a current project in Australia. A friend in Alaska has repeated the
success of Wilbert Smith of Canada, circa 1950s using piezo-magnetic
resonance.

It'll be up to you to translate all that into terms of what you want
in terms of excitation.

Back to bad electronics... can you suggest corrections for version two,
with a focus on selection of practical and affordable components?

Yes, once you have clearly defined what you want in clear, simple
terms. The circuit designer need not understand Hopf bifurcation
etc. It's your job to determine what you want for excitation.