Strange problem with low energy light bulb

[Eeyore]

As for the consumer, if he wants to keep his car, the battery replacement
cost is going to be in the average range of $6000 US. If he trades his car
with the used batteries, this cost will be deducted from the trade-in value.

The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery, not
owning it.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what can
be had from the ethanol.

You're full of crap aren't you ?

The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
than from petrol.

Utter nonsense.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I had a reason to cross post. The question was in many other groups, and
there is a serious problem with the new regulations concerning the CFL's.

There are no regulations yet.

Graham

 

[Karl Uppiano]

"Karl Uppiano"
"Phil Allison"


** You stupid or something ??

What the hell do you think a fluoro light really is ?

Go look it up - fool.

You sure wasted a hell of a lot of spit saying "it's a mercury vapor light".
Asshole.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Karl Up Himself Fuckwit Piano"

You sure wasted a hell of a lot of spit saying "it's a mercury vapor
light".

** Proves what a know nothing IDIOT you are, yet again.

PISS OFF !!

Asshole.



......... Phil

 

[clifto]

"Vacuum filled," oh how I enjoy that one. It evokes the image of
someone pouring stuff form this bottle of "vacuum" into each
light bulb.

However, I do believe it might be a bit more proper to say the
bulbs are (or have been) evacuated. <G>

As long as you don't say something vacuous...

 

[Karl Uppiano]

"Karl Up Himself Fuckwit Piano"




** Proves what a know nothing IDIOT you are, yet again.

PISS OFF !!

Asshole.

Does anybody know what the hell set this guy off? I asked a simple question,
not really prepared for an ad-hominem attack. I figured I wasn't the only
person on these NG that might benefit from what I thought was probably a
simple answer.

I did look it up, and after wading through article after article repeating
the exact same environmentalist hand-wringing about how toxic this naturally
occurring metal is, I finally found an explanation of its role in
fluorescent lamps:

Fluorescent lamps *are* mercury vapor lamps, although the vapor pressure in
fluorescents is different from the bright blue-white lamps traditionally
called "mercury vapor lamps". The electric arc in the tube excites the
electrons in the mercury vapor atoms so that when they drop back to their
base level, they emit photons, primarily in the ultraviolet energy range,
which strike the phosphor coating on the inside of the tube, exciting the
electrons in the phosphor atoms so that when they drop back to their base
level, they emit visible photons. Any number of gases could be used inside
the tube, but mercury has been used traditionally in fluorescent lamps. Some
newer lamps use less mercury, in favor of alternative elements. Of course
there are trade-offs, such as cost and performance.

My original question about mercury basically had to do with current
practices: Whether it was, in fact, the gas of choice for CFLs. I thought it
might be possible that it had some other use that I was not aware of. I
guess I crossed some invisible line by asking about it.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Karl Up Himself Fuckwit Piano"

Does anybody know what the hell set this guy off?

** Calling me an "asshole" for exposing you as a blatant FAKE did it.

Fluorescent lamps *are* mercury vapor lamps, although the vapor pressure
in fluorescents is different from the bright blue-white lamps
traditionally called "mercury vapor lamps". The electric arc in the tube
excites the electrons in the mercury vapor atoms so that when they drop
back to their base level, they emit photons, primarily in the ultraviolet
energy range, which strike the phosphor coating on the inside of the tube,
exciting the electrons in the phosphor atoms so that when they drop back
to their base level, they emit visible photons. Any number of gases could
be used inside the tube,

** Long as there is plenty of mercury vapour - ASSHOLE.

Proves what a know nothing IDIOT you are, yet again.

PISS OFF !!

Google Groper Asshole.

Learn to spell anytime, too.





......... Phil

 

[Mr.T]

However, I've seen situations where CFL's outlast incadescents by 20:1.

Wow, I 'm jealous. I've given up on them after using about 20 or 30 over the
last 10 years. None lasted any longer than a cheap incandescent, most lasted
less, a few even DOA. But the kicker is that a standard fluoro tube always
lasts me ten times as long, in the same application, give a better spread of
light, and the same power savings.
The choice is simple in most cases AFAIC, and it's certainly not compact
fluoro's.

This is a very flawed argument. Industry is going to get the power they
need.

Not if the increase in generating capacity continues to lag the increase in
demand, as it is doing in many areas of Australia since privatisation.
However industry commonly uses standard fluoro tubes already, so them
changing to compact fluoro's would be a backward step. And the power savings
from residential properties is only going to be a small percentage of total
power use. A typical case of governments pretending to do something about a
problem, while it continues to get worse.

They don't buy power for the fun of it.

Nobody does. Blackouts/brownouts still happen.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

Depends on state. Most space/water heating in Victoria is natural gas.
Queensland/NT use a lot of solar hot water, with minimal requirement for
space heating. Cooling is their obvious demand, which of course is electric,
ignoring passive insulation etc.

That'll make using less energy easy then.

Is there a lot of coal generated electricity and if so is the coal of local
origin ?

Yes, mostly. Some hydro electricity, and some gas fired electricity. A
miniscule amount of solar and wind electricity, but that is increasing.
No nuclear yet.

MrT.

 

[Karl Uppiano]

Phil isn't very helpful. Can anyone else explain where I went wrong?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.T"

Yes, mostly. Some hydro electricity,

** In Tasmania, it is 100% hydro.

Massive amounts of it too, compared to the small population.




....... Phil

 

[Mr.T]

Most folks? I would suspect infant mortality if the fluorescent has
anywhere close to as short a life as an incandescent.

And the equivalent of the "Black Death" is killing a lot of "infants" around
here then.

Mine have lasted for years and years in every case.

I can only dream of that. No problem with standard fluoro's though!

So far, compulsory is only in Australia. But I'd say that light bulbs
constitute a large load, especially in homes that use gas for their
furnace and kitchen. In such homes, only heavy appliances or hair dryers
require more than 100 watts or so, yet for light bulbs, that's common.
And there are many light bulbs.]

The most commonly used bulb here is 60W, and there are usually only a few
rooms on at any one time. Usually less than 200W in my house, but even
double that will be about one average computer, less than the fridge,
freezer, air conditioner, washing machine, microwave oven, large TV, even
the toaster or electric kettle, each by itself!

Some people do have a hundred QH downlights though, and they should just be
shot to protect the rest of us from their stupidity

At night, with bulbs lit, a typical home probably uses the equivalent of
one or two hair dryers, kept running constantly for hours and hours.

My hair drier uses FAR more than the lights, but it isn't on very long, so
it's rather a pointless comparison.
The ONLY figure that's important to global warming, is how many WHr's a
device *actually* consumes each year.

Hardly a trivial load.

Compared to what industry currently uses, it IS trivial. It's not that long
ago our state government spent hundred's of millions of dollars installing
power lines just to supply an Aluminium smelter. Any guess on how much power
THAT uses compared to the average household?

Makes a lot more sense to clamp down on that
load, than to get all compulsive about DTV set-top boxes, as the EU has
done.

Really? That is even more stupid.
Still politicians could never be accused of having intelligence!
As long as they don't ban computers any time soon

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

It would be crazy to eliminate halogens.

Why???
The QH downlights used in large multiples because of their narrow light
spread, are the very WORST offenders!
Each one draws as much as a standard globe (including the power wasted in
the transformer)

Ban them FIRST I say.

MrT.

 

[Eeyore]

Wow, I 'm jealous. I've given up on them after using about 20 or 30 over the
last 10 years. None lasted any longer than a cheap incandescent, most lasted
less, a few even DOA.

Were any of them made by Philips or Osram ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Phil isn't very helpful. Can anyone else explain where I went wrong?

You asked a question.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Why???
The QH downlights used in large multiples because of their narrow light
spread, are the very WORST offenders!
Each one draws as much as a standard globe (including the power wasted in
the transformer)

Ban them FIRST I say.

They're not the only kind of halogen lamp.

GE and Philips are working on getting halogen efficiency up to the level of
CFLs.

Graham

 

[Arfa Daily]

Arfa Daily wrote:

< ...snip... >


Maplins do a candle bulb that's vacuum filled. Also, see info on
vacuum
bulbs at

http://members.misty.com/don/bulb1.html

Arfa

"Vacuum filled," oh how I enjoy that one. It evokes the image of
someone pouring stuff form this bottle of "vacuum" into each
light bulb.

However, I do believe it might be a bit more proper to say the
bulbs are (or have been) evacuated. <G>

[ Sorry, the pedantic devil made me do this. ]


Later...

Ron Capik

It's one of those 'odd ones' isn't it ? Obviously "filled" is not the
right
word, and "evacuated" seems a bit 'scientific'. The references to these
bulbs tend to call them "vacuum filled", so I just went along with that
...
;-)

Arfa

Ahh, that so reminds me of the winning definition of "politically
correct."
"" Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
turd by the clean end.""

So do take care as to what end of the vacuum you fill with. <G>


Later...

Ron Capik

Yes, very amusing, but now the pedantic devil sitting on your shoulder, is
definitely asserting himself ... !!

Arfa

 

[Mr.T]

The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
than from petrol.

Do you have a reference for this?

The chemicals released from the burned ethanol are
dangerous for people with respiratory problems.

So is petrol, diesel is worse still.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

value.

The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery, not
owning it.

Sure, but then the lease cost will be even greater to cover the extra
expenses and profits of the lease company.

MrT.