Strange problem with low energy light bulb

[Don Pearce]

When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what can
be had from the ethanol. The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
than from petrol. The chemicals released from the burned ethanol are
dangerous for people with respiratory problems. These chemicals are also
harmful to plant life.

Ethanol combustion goes as follows:

C2H5OH + 3O2 -> 2CO2 + 3H2O

Problem?

d

 

[Mr.T]

Were any of them made by Philips or Osram ?

Yep, I still have a new DOA Phillips in the original packing. I just wish I
still had the receipt :-(

I have tried at least 3 different styles by Phillips, and at least one from
Osram, not to mention total crap like Mirabella and many others.
NONE of them lasted any better than an incandescent in the same position.
The price varied from approximately 6 times that of an IB, to over 30 times.
And to seal their fate, the apparent light output per watt is far lower than
the standard fluoro tubes I use, which also last ten times as long. The
extra cost of replacing fittings soon pays for itself compared to using CFL
crap IMO.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

** In Tasmania, it is 100% hydro.

Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times. And that's from brown coal.

Massive amounts of it too, compared to the small population.

If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem. They could simply put in another Bass Straight cable if necessary.
Instead we are building large numbers of wind generators.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

GE and Philips are working on getting halogen efficiency up to the level of
CFLs.

Fine, we can re-consider them WHEN they have succeeded.

MrT.

 

[Meat Plow]

Does anybody know what the hell set this guy off?

Yeh he's a former mental patient, just ignore him.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.Turd"

Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times.

** Tassie hydro sells power to Vic at times of their high demand -
fuckwit.

That is what hydro power is IDEAL for !!

If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem.

** The only problem is conserving long term water resources.

Tassie's installed generator capacity per head of population is very high.




......... Phil

 

[Arfa Daily]

Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times. And that's from brown coal.


If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem. They could simply put in another Bass Straight cable if
necessary.
Instead we are building large numbers of wind generators.

MrT.

Never mind ... !!

Arfa

 

[Mr.T]

** Tassie hydro sells power to Vic at times of their high demand -
fuckwit.

I never said they didn't fuckwit.

That is what hydro power is IDEAL for !!

I never said it wasn't fuckwit.

MrT.

 

[Richard Crowley]

"Karl Uppiano" wrote ...

Phil isn't very helpful. Can anyone else explain where I went wrong?

You didn't plonk the notorious troll and he tricked you
into annother useless exchange.

 

[Eeyore]

Sure, but then the lease cost will be even greater to cover the extra
expenses and profits of the lease company.

It's the only way I can see to cushion and average the associated costs.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Yep, I still have a new DOA Phillips in the original packing. I just wish I
still had the receipt :-(

You seem to have exceptionally bad luck.

I have tried at least 3 different styles by Phillips, and at least one from
Osram, not to mention total crap like Mirabella and many others.
NONE of them lasted any better than an incandescent in the same position.

Are you even remotely aware how exceptionally strange that is ? A few years back
some brands were affected by the 'bad caps' issue. Maybe that affected your
judgement of them ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

I for one, have never had a CFL fail to last at least years in practical use.

Graham

 

[Arny Krueger]

"Arny Krueger"

** No-one said that.

Total red herring anyhow.

The variations in dimmable CFLs are pretty obvious in use. The effective
range of operation, and how they react to being run at low levels, can varie
quite a bit. We see both sample variations within a certain type of bulb,
and also brand and model variations.

Keeping a dimmable CFL running at low levels is a bit of black art, it
seems.

** Shame they are prohibitively more expensive and hard
to find.

Dimmable CFLs are available in the US from places like "Home Depot" - the
US's large chain of home improvment centers with over 400 superstores
nationally.

Dimmable CFLs are also available from a number of dealers on the web, and
regular local electrical supply stores that cater to electricians. Prices
there are in the range of $6-18 per bulb.

Really good dimmable CFLs in the 15-22 watt range are presently being
blasted out on US eBay for about $4 each.

** Non sequitur - most folk have seen the reverse far
more often.

I am reflecting on my experience which is based on the use of several 100's
of bulbs in a church/school. For example, we have one room with 48 CFLs, and
another with 64. Many other rooms have 6-12 bulbs each.

The room with 64 bulbs has been in service for about 3 years and gets pretty
heavy use by household standards. Its a basement room with zero windows, so
it has to be lit every time it is used. The lights are often left on until
the end of work day even when it is vacant.

The 64 32 watt bulbs in that room are used in pairs in a fully-enclosed ca.
1950 ceiling fixture that has has a maximum rating of 150 watts. They run a
little hot but have been very reliable, anyway. I think there have been 2
bulb failures in 3 years. Light levels are a real problem in this room, so
the purpose of rebulbing was to get enough light, not save power. We got
both benefits, anyway. It was previously lit by 32 150 watt halogens. They
ran very hot and one died about every week.

The 48 CFLs in the other room are all dimmable via DMX quad dimmer packs.
They are used in 8s in a fixture that has an open mounting (chandeliers),
and is rated at 50 watts per bulb. The extra lumens per watt (ab out 6x)
has been a very strategic feature for those rooms.

** Nice " selecting the evidence " fallacy.

** More example selecting.

Homes in Australia are mostly all electric.

Not true in the US. We make heavy use of natural gas, partially because we
have tons of it that has historically been a byproduct of petroleum
production.

** Domestic lighting is only used at night, when a little
extra heat is mostly welcome.

IME, not true. People around here who are cooling their houses in the summer
often draw the drapes and blinds to "keep the heat outside". Then they turn
on room lights to restore their ability to work and navigate.

Aside from CFLs, there is also a lot dimmable fluorescent lighting in use in
office and industry. These bulbs are 4-terminal devices and have a much
wider effective range of operation than 2-terminal CFLs.

One other comment - it appears that dimmable CFLs on the same circuit may
slightly affect each other's operation, particularly at low levels.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Arny Krueger"
"Phil Allison"

The variations in dimmable CFLs are pretty obvious in use.

** WRONG subject - you fucking IMBECILE !!!!!!!!!

Dimmable CFLs are available in the US ...

** None on general retail sale here in Aussie.

I am reflecting on my experience which is based on the use of several
100's of bulbs in a church/school.

** Try following the context too - you fucking IMBECILE.

Not true in the US.

** So fucking what ?

God you stinking YANKS are so fucking parochial.

IME, not true.

** Yawn - Arny the ASS just ignores what is actually posted.

Typical ASD fucked, compewter geek, egomaniac with a bad attitude.




........ Phil

 

[John Fields]

Yeh he's a former mental patient, just ignore him.

 

[[email protected]]

Ethanol combustion goes as follows:

C2H5OH + 3O2 -> 2CO2 + 3H2O

Problem?

So it gives off Dihydrogen Monoxide...
" is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and
disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal
to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful."
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

 

[Don Pearce]

So it gives off Dihydrogen Monoxide...
" is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and
disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal
to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful."
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Bastard! Never knew it was so nasty...

d

 

[Mr.T]

You seem to have exceptionally bad luck.

Tell me about it!
But in fact since it happens with such regularity, claiming it is just bad
luck, is wishful thinking.

Are you even remotely aware how exceptionally strange that is ?

No, since many others claim the same experience.

A few years back
some brands were affected by the 'bad caps' issue. Maybe that affected your
judgement of them ?

Nope, has been happening for over ten years. The last CFL in my house died
last week in fact, it too was an "infant" according to manufacturers claims.
Replaced it with an incandescent, so now I have no CFL's.

I for one, have never had a CFL fail to last at least years in practical

use.

Are you even remotely aware how exceptionally unusual that is?

MrT.

 

[Richard Crowley]

Tell me about it!
But in fact since it happens with such regularity, claiming it is just bad
luck, is wishful thinking.


No, since many others claim the same experience.


Nope, has been happening for over ten years. The last CFL in my house died
last week in fact, it too was an "infant" according to manufacturers
claims.
Replaced it with an incandescent, so now I have no CFL's.

use.

Are you even remotely aware how exceptionally unusual that is?

Doesn't seem unusual to me (or any of my acquaintances).
Have you ever measured your mains voltage? Is it within
"normal" specifications?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Eeysore Lying Half wit" "

More like 4mg.

** Absolute bollocks.

Philips is now using 2mg IIRC.

** Laughable.



....... Phil

 

[Eeyore]

"Eeysore Lying Half wit" "


** Absolute bollocks.


** Laughable.

The new Extreme Low Mercury designated products can be recognised by a logo on
the packaging and product. These include the MASTER PL-L , PL-TOP and PL-C
ranges which have been reduced to 1.4mg and the MASTER CFL-I ranges which are
all lower than 2 mg whereas the lighting industry benchmark is between 2.4mg
-8mg.

http://www.lighting.philips.com/gl_...main=global&parent=4390&id=gl_en_news&lang=en

Graham