The Electric Car

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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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More than $1000 for insurance ?
Insurance premiums are highly location and driver dependent. We pay
about $1000/year for two cars, including collision and quite a bit
more than the minimum liability. In New Jersey I'd be hard pressed
to get the same insurance for less than $5000. My insurance company
wanted over $3500 to insure my son and future daughter-in-law's two
cars.
 
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JosephKK

Jan 1, 1970
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James Arthur [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:
I sympathize, and applaud such groups. The question, though, was
whether employed people are getting squeezed: lower wages, etc.
From their consumption, from their material wealth, and the
statistics, I don't see such signs, not in the "middle" or
"working" classes.

Best,
James Arthur

You may not be seeing it yet, but take a look at somewhat recent HS
grads (5 to 10 years ago) without more education.

Lots of employed people have been getting squeezed for 20 years now.
Example: 50 years ago a janitor (no other workers in the household)
might be able to buy a house, now they are lucky to be able to
afford rent in a slum (without other wage earners in the
household).
 
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MooseFET

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote:





Insurance is mandatory here but doesn't have to cost anything near that much.
Competition it seems may actually work.

It isn't just that. The insurance companies end up covering losses
where only one driver is insured. They include this in their
calculation of the rates. In places where there are many people
driving without insurance, this pushes the rates up.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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MooseFET said:
It isn't just that. The insurance companies end up covering losses
where only one driver is insured. They include this in their
calculation of the rates. In places where there are many people
driving without insurance, this pushes the rates up.

What percentage of US drivers are uninsured ?

Graham
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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What percentage of US drivers are uninsured ?

Estimates vary by source and state, from 5% to 40%. Based on my
personal experience, 33%.
 
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James Arthur

Jan 1, 1970
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They are repaying society for the education, science, health, culture,
peace, and infrastructure they benefitted from but didn't contribute
to.

After some thought, I agree that's what they *are* doing, but I'm
not sure they should have to.

For one, this raises all sorts of accounting / fairness questions--
how much they got vs: are presumed to owe.

Mostly, though, I view these as our gifts to the next generation.
We collectively, as a society, for good or ill have seen fit to bring
them into this world and it's our love and duty to prepare them for
it.

It was our choice, made when they were too young to argue or
consent, we'll benefit from it when they inherit and run the world,
and we should bear the expense.

Besides, deferring payment a generation doesn't reduce the cost, it
just tacks on interest when the bill comes due. The practice also
interposes the government as the meditator between parents and
children, dividing family (i.e., lessens the resources parents have
for their young kids, those of kids for their elder parents, and the
After a lifetime of contributing, they too can retire in less than
abject poverty.

That's a choice we all have, and managed for generations, but now
seem to have forgotten. Or maybe we've not forgotten, but feel less
urgency to save, banking on Al's "lock box."
The modern economy also encourages and benefits from
worker mobility, which decouples kids from their parents. It's a
reasonable deal, unless you run out of young people to play the game.

Best wishes,
James Arthur
 
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RichD

Jan 1, 1970
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I guess it's true - sarcasm is wasted on those who
need it the most. )-;
You're the third nitwit so far this thread who has missed the joke!


The joke is spoiled when you have to explain it...
 
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Dale E

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard said:
Actually, the vast majority of the problems in the US are caused by:
---------<quote>----------
AMENDMENT XVI

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment
16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States,
and without regard to any census or enumeration.
----------</quote>---------

Thanks,
Rich

Yes.
 
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Dale E

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Crawford, TX, found a place for theirs, at least....;-)

Does that mean nobody in Crawford can shit because their asshole is in
Washington, DC?
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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He also doesn't have anyhydrogenperoxide wells. And no, I don't have the
faintest clue why he's obsessional about it either.

Graham

You're going naysay postal, arnt you. Figures, doesn't it.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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That was done years ago. Unfortunately, it results in an average speed
of about 15MPH. On level ground, the friction losses can be made low
enough at low speeds to get very long ranges out of a small amount of
gas.

So, once again foiled by your status quo or bust conditional laws of
physics. Why of course is isn't going to happen because, I'm not a
Yid. How about yourself?
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, but that's where the "practical" qualifier comes in.
I really doubt that you'd find many people willing to accept
limiting their driving to 15 MPH on level ground with special
low-rolling-resistance tires, etc..

In other words - "special demo" sorts of examples don't
count.

Bob M.

Up to 1000 shp of hybrid energy under that Hummer hood should do a
little better than 15 mph.

I was using up that gallon of whatever and h2o2 at 65 mph, fully
loaded and accomplishing 100 mpg upon average at zero NOx. At 15 mph
on the smooth and flat, it should be good for at least 250 mpg
(possibly 300 mpg), as well as zero NOx. Sorry if you didn't
understand.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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As someone who understands what it might take to get a Hummer or SUV
to 100 empg and zeroNOx, I want a Hummer/SUV that can seat at least
one person, accelerate from zero to sixty mph in less than thirty
seconds, and not crumple if I inadvertantly lean against it.

There are only two ways to produce useful amounts of LH2 and H2O2,
economically-- new coal generation and new nuclear generation. While
I personally want the latter, thanks to wrongheaded environmentalists,
the former is more likely.

You're absolutely joking, right! I to guess you're not being from
Earth imposes a great number of limitations on the scope of your
intelligence. What silly planet of such all-knowing naysayism did you
say you were from?
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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There are only two ways to produce useful amounts of LH2 and H2O2,
economically-- new coal generation and new nuclear generation. While
I personally want the latter, thanks to wrongheaded environmentalists,
the former is more likely.

Have you not heard of Warren Buffet or Willie Moo?

If that's not good enough, I've got energy footprints of 40 kw/m2.
How many clean teraWatts would you like?
- Brad Guth
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Up to 1000 shp of hybrid energy under that Hummer hood should do a
little better than 15 mph.

You're a Grade-A IDIOT !
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Have you not heard of Warren Buffet or Willie Moo?

If that's not good enough, I've got energy footprints of 40 kw/m2.
How many clean teraWatts would you like?
- Brad Guth


All your teraWatts are belong to us!


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Bob Myers

Jan 1, 1970
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Up to 1000 shp of hybrid energy under that Hummer hood should do a
little better than 15 mph.

For how long?
I was using up that gallon of whatever and h2o2 at 65 mph, fully
loaded and accomplishing 100 mpg upon average at zero NOx. At 15 mph
on the smooth and flat, it should be good for at least 250 mpg
(possibly 300 mpg), as well as zero NOx. Sorry if you didn't
understand.

Good for you. Now please tell us the cost of the
"whatever and h2o2" involved, the cost of the
infrastructure necessary to supply it, and the cost,
weight, and specific performance figures for the
system ("engine") which converts the energy
stored in such materials to mechanical motion.

It's very easy to make something look attractive
based on few selected figures. Selling the entire
system is typically another thing entirely.

Bob M.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Have you not heard of Warren Buffet or Willie Moo?

If that's not good enough, I've got energy footprints of 40 kw/m2.

Energy is NOT measuered in kW !

Graham
 
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Sevenhundred Elves

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
You're a Grade-A IDIOT !

Please, such comments are of no use at all.

Instead, what Brad needs to understand is that there are some major
flaws in his plan to make H2O2 in the vehicle while it is on the road.

The flaw that's easiest to point out is this:

It takes energy to convert water to H2O2, and this energy would have to
be brought along in the car somehow. But if you already have a way of
bringing the energy along, it is an unnecessary complication to use it
to convert water to H2O2 and then use that H2O2 to fuel the car. It
would be easier and more energy-efficient to use that stored energy to
fuel the car directly.

S.
 
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