The Electric Car

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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Sevenhundred said:
Please, such comments are of no use at all.

They're as much use as any other response where 'Brad Gruth' is concerned.

Instead, what Brad needs to understand is that there are some major
flaws in his plan to make H2O2 in the vehicle while it is on the road.

The flaw that's easiest to point out is this:

It takes energy to convert water to H2O2, and this energy would have to
be brought along in the car somehow. But if you already have a way of
bringing the energy along, it is an unnecessary complication to use it
to convert water to H2O2 and then use that H2O2 to fuel the car. It
would be easier and more energy-efficient to use that stored energy to
fuel the car directly.

Your mistake is to assume the 'Brad Gruth' gives a damn about any of the above
or even remotely vares about the science. He doesn't. I (along with many others)
have tried to understand his ideas and explain his errors but quite simply he
doesn't care. He is wedded to his stupid h2o2 ideas (and the 1000hp Hummer) come
rain or shine.

Graham
 
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Sevenhundred Elves

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
They're as much use as any other response where 'Brad Gruth' is concerned.



Your mistake is to assume the 'Brad Gruth' gives a damn about any of the above
or even remotely cares about the science. He doesn't. I (along with many others)
have tried to understand his ideas and explain his errors but quite simply he
doesn't care. He is wedded to his stupid h2o2 ideas (and the 1000hp Hummer) come
rain or shine.

I can, of course, only hope that he cares to ponder what I said above.

Brad, did you read it, and did you find it has any bearing on your
ideas?

S.
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Your mistake is to assume the 'Brad Gruth' gives a damn about any of the above
or even remotely vares about the science. He doesn't. I (along with many others)
have tried to understand his ideas and explain his errors but quite simply he
doesn't care. He is wedded to his stupid h2o2 ideas (and the 1000hp Hummer) come
rain or shine.

Graham

In other words, you and others of your naysay kind don't believe in
the regular laws of physics or in the best available science. We
understand, perfectly.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Please, such comments are of no use at all.

Instead, what Brad needs to understand is that there are some major
flaws in his plan to make H2O2 in the vehicle while it is on the road.

??? "on the road" ??? (are you nuts?)
The flaw that's easiest to point out is this:

It takes energy to convert water to H2O2, and this energy would have to
be brought along in the car somehow. But if you already have a way of
bringing the energy along, it is an unnecessary complication to use it
to convert water to H2O2 and then use that H2O2 to fuel the car. It
would be easier and more energy-efficient to use that stored energy to
fuel the car directly.

S.

My goodness, naysayism is taken to a new and improved level, of your
being dumb and dumber (aka dumbfounded) way past the point of no
possible return. Even your out-of-context is out of context. Good
grief, are you not from Earth?
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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All your teraWatts are belong to us!

Yes they do, though like Warren Buffet's clean and renewable
teraWatts, they're not free for the taking, that is unless such energy
is owned by a Muslim (unlike our resident LLPOF warlord, I'm just
kidding).
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuthwrote:



Energy is NOT measuered in kW !

Graham

Then measure it in joules worth of flatulence or whatever you like.
It's still roughly 100 fold better energy density per terrestrial
surface m2 than your typical all-inclusive (aka birth to grave) worth
of nuclear derived energy.
- Brad Guth
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Sevenhundred said:
I can, of course, only hope that he cares to ponder what I said above.

Brad, did you read it, and did you find it has any bearing on your
ideas?

See his responses.

He believes science means you can get 'free' h202.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
In other words, you and others of your naysay kind don't believe in
the regular laws of physics or in the best available science. We
understand, perfectly.

You're using the 'royal we' now are you, you charlatan ?

Graham
 
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Sevenhundred Elves

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
??? "on the road" ??? (are you nuts?)

No. Frankly, I thought YOU were. Some of the things you have said in
this forum... Well, let's just say they don't fall within the scope of
polite debate.

But if you don't intend to make the H2O2 while you drive, why would you
find it necessary to have a chemical plant in your car? Let the gas
stations sell it instead. Makes for a lighter car.
My goodness, naysayism is taken to a new and improved level, of your
being dumb and dumber (aka dumbfounded) way past the point of no
possible return. Even your out-of-context is out of context. Good
grief, are you not from Earth?
- Brad Guth

Please, tell me again what problems you aim to solve with your proposed
use of H2O2. I believe one valid point of it is to reduce the amount of
nitrous compounds in the exhaust. What else do you have?

S.
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuthwrote:


No. Frankly, I thought YOU were. Some of the things you have said in
this forum... Well, let's just say they don't fall within the scope of
polite debate.

But if you don't intend to make the H2O2 while you drive, why would you
find it necessary to have a chemical plant in your car? Let the gas
stations sell it instead. Makes for a lighter car.

I agree, as to why I never excluded service station obtained h2o2.

Having the option of an internal converter that takes plain old
filtered water along with that Hummer plugged in at home or at the
office would simply make that water into h2o2. Get the other fossil
or biofuel from wherever and you're good to go, even if you also need
that same service station to provide the necessary h2o2 is still good
to go. Either way you'll have that 100 mpg Hummer and zero NOx
contributed to the environment.

There are other than zero NOx advantages to what this dual injected
little engine accommodates.
Please, tell me again what problems you aim to solve with your proposed
use of H2O2. I believe one valid point of it is to reduce the amount of
nitrous compounds in the exhaust. What else do you have?

I do believe we're solving a good number of problems by simply
allowing the best available technology to prevail.

It'll offer lots of compact energy as derived from a fairly small
radial turbine or rotary like engine (I'd think partly ceramic).

There's obviously no atmospheric intake issues.

There's no wasted compression or exhaust stroke.

There's an absolute minimum of CO2 toxic fumes and zero worth of NOx
when having to operate within a tunnel or in most other tight quarters
(obviously zero toxic when on battery).

It's extremely smooth running, especially as a hybrid configuration.

It'll run nearly as well under water or under mud as it would function
even better in a vacuum (DoD should love this kick ass Hummer).

The full minute+ and up to possibly six minutes worth of hybrid burst
or peak wheel energy of delivering a combined 1000 shp is perfectly
doable, along with otherwise as much as a sustained 250 shp for those
extended hauling applications.

Nearly any kind of fossil or biofuel alternatives will suit the needs
of getting the most energy bang per kg of whatever fuel and h2o2.

It is relatively end-user safe and sane because, us dumbfounded
village idiot humans will never see or much less touch the h2o2.

h2o2 could also directly provide for the 12.5 kwhr of hybrid battery
energy (optional 25 kwhr).

The makings of h2o2 can be every bit as green and/or as renewable as
you'd care to make them.

There'd soon be 85% less fossil or biofuels consumed, allowing much
less as having to be extracted from deep with Earth or via biofuel
alternatives, and perhaps zero of such imported (including from Canada
or Mexico). The all inclusive fossil related environmental impact
would drop off to a dull roar. Spendy Coal gassification fuels would
burn very nicely. Most of the more iffy coal mines could be shut down
until fully robotic operations are established, thus much fewer
industry related injuries and deaths to deal with and having to pay
dearly for.

There are a few other advantages that'll I'll have to recall from
previous research and subsequent deductive notions, that by rights
should pan out, in favor of what h2o2 plus a little fossil or biofuel
can provide.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuthwrote:


You're using the 'royal we' now are you, you charlatan ?

Graham

I'd rather be an honest "charlatan" than whatever else makes you folks
happy campers. I'd hate to think I'm getting a brown nose like
yourself.

Perhaps you can explain how a nearly 30% inert GLOW with merely a 60:1
ratio of rocket to payload can so quickly get nearly 50 tonnes into
orbiting our moon. I can understand getting perhaps as much as 25
tonnes into lunar orbit, but that's not what supposedly happened.

Unless it was just their robotic picture taking portion that orbited
our moon, especially since that much was then and still is doable to
photograph, process that film, scan and transmit such nifty images
back to Earth.
- Brad Guth
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
I'd rather be an honest "charlatan" than whatever else makes you folks
happy campers. I'd hate to think I'm getting a brown nose like
yourself.

Perhaps you can explain how a nearly 30% inert GLOW with merely a 60:1
ratio of rocket to payload can so quickly get nearly 50 tonnes into
orbiting our moon. I can understand getting perhaps as much as 25
tonnes into lunar orbit, but that's not what supposedly happened.

Unless it was just their robotic picture taking portion that orbited
our moon, especially since that much was then and still is doable to
photograph, process that film, scan and transmit such nifty images
back to Earth.
- Brad Guth

Your arrant stupidity is truly a marvel to behold.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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See his responses.

He believes science means you can get 'free' h202.

Until just now, I never once stipulated "free h2o2".

However, at $.01/kwhr it's not going to be all that spendy, and our
government has all the spare loot they can print, in that h2o2 could
become provived nearly as free as water.

Warren Buffet, Willie Moo and myself will provide all the necessary
spare TeraWatts if we're given the same insider perks and offshore
benefits as afforded to the likes of Exxon or of those insider friends
of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) and company.

If all else fails, I have a fossil and yellowcake fuel excise tax plan
that'll cover everything, and then some. I also have methods of
funding on behalf of accomplishing most everything else I've
suggested. Of course, I'd have to be put in charge.
- Brad Guth
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Until just now, I never once stipulated "free h2o2".

You might as well have.

Your h2o2 ideas are plain STUPID !

You'd be better off with a cylinder of pure oxygen.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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You might as well have.

Your h2o2 ideas are plain STUPID !

You'd be better off with a cylinder of pure oxygen.

That too might become a good enough idea, except for the required
tankage and the equally nasty if not worse off what-ifs. BTW, it also
takes energy in order to produce, inventory and distribute pure O2,
though less spendy amounts of energy than h2o2.

In addition to whatever renewable energy that's in surplus which can
be diverted into making the likes of LH2, LOx and h2o2 (you pick),
we're currently pillaging and raping mother Earth's oceans for a nifty
tally of extracting 100 million tonnes/year of seafood (that's not
including global sport fishing or subsistence fishing), and since
we've created such a good number and ever expanding volumes of ocean
dead zones, whereas such I was wondering how much biofuel could be
made from extracting a billion tonnes worth of jellyfish.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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No. Frankly, I thought YOU were. Some of the things you have said in
this forum... Well, let's just say they don't fall within the scope of
polite debate.

But if you don't intend to make the H2O2 while you drive, why would you
find it necessary to have a chemical plant in your car? Let the gas
stations sell it instead. Makes for a lighter car.









Please, tell me again what problems you aim to solve with your proposed
use of H2O2. I believe one valid point of it is to reduce the amount of
nitrous compounds in the exhaust. What else do you have?

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In addition to what I'd previously contributed on behalf of using
h2o2, there's also a little something positive and thus constructive
to being said about the renewable energy going into biofuel
production.

Therefore, of whatever renewable energy that's in surplus which can
just as easily become diverted into making the likes of LH2, LOx and
h2o2 (you pick), we're currently pillaging and raping mother Earth's
oceans for a nifty tally of extracting 100 million tonnes/year of
seafood (that's not including global sport and subsistence fishing),
and since we've artificially via our CO2, NOx and various other toxins
having created such a good number and ever expanding volumes of ocean
dead zones, whereas such I was wondering how much biofuel could be
obtained from extracting and processing a billion tonnes worth of
jellyfish.
- Brad Guth
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
I was wondering how much biofuel could be obtained from extracting and
processing a billion tonnes worth of
jellyfish.

How bizarre !

Graham
 
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MooseFET

Jan 1, 1970
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dead zones, whereas such I was wondering how much biofuel could be
obtained from extracting and processing a billion tonnes worth of
jellyfish.

Almost none comes to mind. Most living things are mostly water, The
jellyfish is doubly so. Plants make more sense as biofuel inputs.

If you are going after animals for the purpose, you want to use ones
with a high fat content. Ideally, it shuld be a side product of some
other industry. The meat industry makes and good example of this. If
not, you would be best off rendering politicans an lawyers. Although
they are not good to eat (have you ever tried to clean one) they have
a high fat content and thus an higher energy per pound.
 
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Dan Bloomquist

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
BradGuth wrote:




How bizarre !

Yep, about as stupid as England depending on India's, jatropha crops. Or
Russia's natural gas.

But, you are a believer.......
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Almost none comes to mind. Most living things are mostly water, The
jellyfish is doubly so. Plants make more sense as biofuel inputs.


Particularly since alcohol is from SUGAR, NOT WATER.
 
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