The Electric Car

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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.physics, Eeyore

The new organic ones should not have this problem, though
I'm not sure about their efficiency. There's of course
the little issue of how one transfers the current from
the moving blades to the stator.

That's trivial. You don't even need slip rings. Just have the
PVs drive a rotor coil, much like a car alternator, and pick
up the energy with another set of stator coils. (separate
from the ones that extract the physical motive energy, of
course).

You couldn't use that for your main rotor current, however,
because then they wouldn't generate anything at night. Unless,
of course, you put some batteries and a charge controller in
your rotor, which seems to be growing exponentially. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Actually, the issue was liquids burning in an internal combustion
engine.

Well, you know, it's not that much of a stretch to call a rocket
motor internal combustion - or should that be internal hypergolic? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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If one were to make an injected, hypergolic, IC engine, you would
squirt the fuel in at the top of the piston stroke; no compression
required.

You have a point to all this nonsense?

Yes - the Official Term is "Shooting The Breeze." ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Besides, the general idea is *not* to use fossil fuels
whatsoever, if I understood you correctly. H2O2,
presumably, would simply replace them, distributed in gas
stations much like gasoline is today.

(Yeah, right.)

Well, if it wasn't so expensive, and resource-hungry, it could
theoretically make for a real simple internal "combustion" engine-
just get some BHP (basic hydrogen peroxide - essentially 100%
H2O2); and instead of a spark plug, a lump of catalyst, like
MnO2; it'd be a two-stroke - at TDC or so, squirt a dollop of
H2O2, it catalyzes into H2O + O2 + heat; driving the power
stroke; then there's an exhaust stroke, which consists of,
Ta-Da! water and oxygen; then you do it again. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't see that. At 0.2 cents per kwh, essentially free, it would
seem easy to dump power into the grid when it was available,
specifically on hot sunny days when a/c loads are at their maximum.
Relatively small peak solar output, say 5% of the relevant grid load,
would be welcome for their fuel savings. Of course, without some
storage mechanism, big percentages are less appealing, but 5% is still
big bucks, especially as you can charge premium pricing for
peak-period power.

Since we're talking billions and billions of dollars here anyway, how
about using hydro dams for storage of excess energy - just run the
turbines backwards and pump water back into the reservoir! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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I support his honest research and better ideas of utilizing existing
technology, not the fact of his being another officially snookered and
dumbfounded soul that has gotten past that point of no return about
accepting each and every word of government and of their faith-based
puppeteers, is what I'd ever go along with.

At least our William Mook/Willie.Moo has always shared his talent and
expertise, so unlike yourself.

You'e out of your mind (I know, stating the obvious). "Mookie"
hasn't shared anything, other than hand waving. Patent numbers would
be a start.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I am not selling equipment. I sell on forward contracts commodities.
The people who buy the commodities don't care about where they get
them. They just need them by a certain date. But they pay me today
for a discounted price. And they accept the execution risk. Which is
equivalent to discovery risk in developing resources. There are of
course no market risk since these are commodities.

So, in other words, you're a swindler? I was once a paralegal assistant
in a litigation based on almost the exact same scam.

They lost.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Since we're talking billions and billions of dollars here anyway, how
about using hydro dams for storage of excess energy - just run the
turbines backwards and pump water back into the reservoir! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Neither wind nor solar needs storage to be economically viable. Solar
in particular complements the usual daily load curve, so its energy
can be sold at top-dollar peak pricing.

There are places where 20 or even 25% of the total load is furnished
by essentially unpredictable wind power, and the existing grid (which
used to handle 100% anyhow) adapts.

The hydrogen thing is just a good way to sink a presumably efficient
solar power generation concept.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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So, in other words, you're a swindler? I was once a paralegal assistant
in a litigation based on almost the exact same scam.

They lost.

Problem is, if he is running a ponzi scheme or such, we won't find out
for years, and then only by noting the silence. That's the pattern of
so many "breakthrough" technologies. I've seen dozens of breakthroughs
that just faded away, along with heaps of investment.

John
 
Since we're talking billions and billions of dollars here anyway, how
about using hydro dams for storage of excess energy - just run the
turbines backwards and pump water back into the reservoir! ;-)

Cheers!
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where would the water come from in front of the dam? The water is
flowing downhill in front of the dam, and so you run the turbines
backwards and water flows downhill and a little uphill and then you're
just running turbines backwards to beat the water back.
 
Yes - the Official Term is "Shooting The Breeze." ;-)

Roger that.

What I find especially amusing is that in a hypergolic reaction such
as the KKK dude is pushing, the liquids break down into gases in a
highly exothermic reaction and it is the resultant gases that actually
burn.
 
Neither wind nor solar needs storage to be economically viable.

It does need storage to be more than 4% of the total energy budget.
DEFINITELY needs storage (or intercontinental transmission) to provide
100% of our needs.
Solar
in particular complements the usual daily load curve,

Yes. And that's the point. If you want it to be more than 30% of the
power at its peak, or more than 4% of the total energy in a year, you
need storage.
so its energy
can be sold at top-dollar peak pricing.

These are arguments conventional solar folks use (who are dependent on
oil companies and major energy companies to fund their losses). This
is not a recipe to dominate the energy marketplace.
There are places where 20 or even 25% of the total load is furnished
by essentially unpredictable wind power, and the existing grid (which
used to handle 100% anyhow) adapts.

The costs of switching power plants on and off, and the costs of using
more peaking power - properly should be added to the intertie costs.
Most often due to regulatory difference between the way transmission
and genration, and especially 'alternative' generation or
'distributed' generatoin - manyof these costs are hidden.

Hiding costs may be politically acceptable, but for anyone who really
wants to see alternatives to major energy really and truly compete
against major energy where they live, these costs MUST be brought out
analyzed and solutions found. I've done that. I'm reporting it here.
I'm getting roundly attacked for it. Which just goes to show how
easily manipulated even knowledgeable people are.
The hydrogen thing is just a good way to sink a presumably efficient
solar power generation concept.

What? Efficiently making hydrogen with DC solar power when the sun is
shining is the lowest cost per joule and the greatest value per joule
around. Check it out;

Solar panels directly tied into a conventional generator system cost
about $1 billion and generate about $120 million per year, and that
adds about $2.4 billion to the utilitiy's valuation.

Solar panels generating hydrogen gas that 100% replaces all fossil
fuels, and eliminates all carbon emissions, cost $5 billion eliminate
$800 million per year in fuel costs, and create $1,000 million per
year in carbon credits - adding $36 billion to the utility's
valuatoin. - basically doubling the value of the utility going
forward.

One provides a 2.4:1 increase in valation at 4% total revenue, while
costing nearly 50% of the utility's capital budget,the other provides
a 7.2:1 increase in valuation at 100% of the total revenue of the
utility while costing 200% of the utility's capital budget.

Clearly direct intertie is a way to be a secondary source forever,
while providing fuel at very low costs is a way to dominate the energy
business. In fact, one should be in the business of buying utilities
with this technology. An LBO would be easily paid for. So, buying
faltering utilities, especially in the sunbelt, and providing them
with hydrogen fuel is a way to realize huge increases in valuation.
Direct intertie;

$0.07 per peak watt - low-cost photocell
$0.70 per peak watt - intertie
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$0.77 per peak watt - total AC on grid

Limitations: 30% peak power levels
4% total energy contribution

EXAMPLE: 4,000 MW utility
1,200 MW solar add on

35 million MWh - utility contribution
1.5 million MWh - solar contribution

$2,000 million - main utility generators
$ 924 million - solar generation


$120 million solar energy value @ $80/MWh
$2,400 million value of solar generators.

$794 million per year recurring fuel costs.
4% rise per year in fuel cost.

$16,000 million - npv recurring fuel costs.

50 million tons carbon-dioside
$20 per ton carbon credits
$1,000 million per year recurring carbon
costs

$20,000 million - npv recurring carbon costs



Solar Hydrogen

$0.07 - per peak watt - low cost solar
$0.02 - variable load electrolyzer
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$0.09 - total solar hydrogen setup

Limitations: 100% of fuel supply
100% of energy

EXAMPLE: 4,000 MW utility
38% efficient
20% insolation

52,632 MW solar hydrogen

35 million MWh per year solar
contribution

$2,000 million - main utility generators
$4,736 million - solar hydrogen systems

$0 - recurring fuel costs
$0 - npv recurring fuel costs.

50 million tons AVOIDED CARBON
$20 per ton carbon credit value

$1,000 million carbon credit revenue
$20,000 million - npv carbon credit value

$80 per MWh - electricity value
$2,800 million per year electricity revenue
$56,000 million - npv electricity
generation.


When one considers the 14.5 million tons of stranded coal each year
that this example utility throws off, merely by adding another 1.4
million tons of hydrogen to this coal 4.9 billion gallons of gasoline
can be synthesized without producing emissions - and at $1.80 per
gallon - this adds $8.8 billion per year in revenues. Well worth the
added $7 billion in capital costs for the Bergius reactors and added
solar panels.

In fact, buying a coal company that has its own power plants combined
with buying an oil remarketer - a gas station chain that doesn't have
its own integrated supply line - and creating a solar supply - is one
way to realize huge valuations and control your own future without
being dependent on major oil or utlities.

Westmoreland Coal and Sunoco are interesting in this regard. My
technology added to these companies with this business plan, could
increase the value of these companies from $15 billion to something on
the order of $400 billion - easily supporting an LBO and all the
capital expenditures needed to create this value.

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So, in other words, you're a swindler?
No.

I was once a paralegal assistant
Really?

in a litigation based on almost the exact same scam.

So, you've seen my financing documents have you? You are publicly and
categorically making statements about my business practices based on a
careful legal review of my financing documents?
They lost.

Haha.. Did they now?
Thanks,
Rich

http://www.emfi.biz/oil_gas_financing.asp

I would suggest that anyone interested read up on how oil and gas
fields get financed. Basically if you have rights to the property,
have a geology report that says there might be oil or gas on that
property,and an engineering report from qualified vendors that give an
estimate of production cost, you can sell a portion of the potential
output to build up productive capacity on that property.

In similar fashion, I have rights to 1.5 billion tons of coal. I have
rights to 36,000 hectares of sunny land. I have independent
confirmation that I can make 7 bbls/ gasoline for each ton of coal,
and I have vendor reports that give precise costs and time frames.
Why shouldn't I sell a poriton of the potential output to build up
this productive capacity on that property? Fact is, I can.
 
Problem is, if he is running a ponzi scheme or such, we won't find out
for years, and then only by noting the silence.

Do you even know what a Ponzi scheme is?
That's the pattern of
so many "breakthrough" technologies. I've seen dozens of breakthroughs
that just faded away, along with heaps of investment.

I'm not selling anything to the US public or to anyone in the public
domain. I'm not selling a financial instrument. I am selling aa
portion of the proved reserves of a specific piece of land to fund a
specific project. That project is legally and financially independent
of any other projects. Buyers of forward contracts will receive
gasoline at an agreed upon price at an agreed upon time. They will
not receive dollars. The buyers are sophisticated players in the oil
business already. They are non-US companies and they have an interest
in developing productive capacities in OPEC nations that are facing
fall-offs in their historical production.

I am not selling equipment, I am not selling equity, i am not selling
facilties. I build own and operate all facilities. I am selling fuel
at a discount to people who normally and routinely buy fuel at a
discount from new producers of fuel in unproved newly discovered
fields. New discoveries are falling off, and I was able to interest
these parties in funding a few projects. They will receive their
gasoline on schedule and since I own the balance of the produciton,I
will take those revenues and use them to carry out the program I've
outlined in the US, and from there,remake the energy business.

Throughout it all, direct solar to AC grid will be a tertiary
development - something done after conventional generators are fueled
100% by solar hydrogen. In less developed regions the order of battle
is different, but less developed regions use far less power and energy
than developed or developing regions.
 
20 million barrels of solar-powered coal-oil conversion per day, by
2011? I'll check back and see how you're doing.













Can't wait. Please post the links.

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I already posted a few of the ones that appear in English. There are
lots in Indonesian and Chinese and Japanese.

Bottom line I have the investors I need and I'm fixed for projects and
money now. The only reason I'm talking about it at all, is that you
are asking the questions. Recall this started out as a description of
where I thought the solar energy market was going. You really
couldn't say anything against the technical descriptions I've offered,
so you are now going out of your way, after enlisting help from your
buddy here, to attack me personally. haha. comparing me to crooks you
have known and making similar outlandish statements - for no damn good
reason.

One must wonder what motivates you to do all this.

This is all due to the fact that you don't want to admit that I'm
right about the costs and limitatoins of direct connect solar to the
power grid? haha.. What a weak person you must be.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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So, you've seen my financing documents have you? You are publicly and
categorically making statements about my business practices based on a
careful legal review of my financing documents?


Haha.. Did they now?


http://www.emfi.biz/oil_gas_financing.asp

I would suggest that anyone interested read up on how oil and gas
fields get financed. Basically if you have rights to the property,
have a geology report that says there might be oil or gas on that
property,and an engineering report from qualified vendors that give an
estimate of production cost, you can sell a portion of the potential
output to build up productive capacity on that property.

In similar fashion, I have rights to 1.5 billion tons of coal. I have
rights to 36,000 hectares of sunny land. I have independent
confirmation that I can make 7 bbls/ gasoline for each ton of coal,
and I have vendor reports that give precise costs and time frames.
Why shouldn't I sell a poriton of the potential output to build up
this productive capacity on that property? Fact is, I can.

Well, it's just fairly seldom that our little electronic circuit
design group is graced by billionaires who will soon be in control of
most of the energy market of the world.

Frankly, circuit design sounds like more fun.

John
 
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Robert Adsett

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
Hey, what's a couple of orders of magnitude between friends?

I hadn't figured you for an astronomer John. That phrase figured
prominently in my introductory astronomy course as an undergrad.

Robert
 
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