The Electric Car

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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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If i were a hard-ass i'd say why? haha.. What is your need to know?

The fact that if you don't cite at least one, you're blowing smoke
out your ass.

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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I already posted a few of the ones that appear in English. There are
lots in Indonesian and Chinese and Japanese.

Bottom line I have the investors I need and I'm fixed for projects and
money now. The only reason I'm talking about it at all, is that you
are asking the questions. Recall this started out as a description of
where I thought the solar energy market was going. You really
couldn't say anything against the technical descriptions I've offered,
so you are now going out of your way, after enlisting help from your
buddy here, to attack me personally. haha. comparing me to crooks you
have known and making similar outlandish statements - for no damn good
reason.

One must wonder what motivates you to do all this.

This is all due to the fact that you don't want to admit that I'm
right about the costs and limitatoins of direct connect solar to the
power grid? haha.. What a weak person you must be.

Hi Bill,
Like I said, if you get a 30-60 foot string extra, say at the tail end
of a production run, or maybe isolated by a flaw during processing, I
will be glad to 'take' them off your hands for experimentation and
testing! ;-)

I have a nice wall and slope with good southern exposure just up from my
pools solar panels...

Charlie
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Have you read Richard Feynman's (MHRIP) additional comments to the
Challenger disaster inquiry report? He wasn't impressed with the service
life of the LOX pumps, amongst other things.

Feed pumps are always a big problem on rockets. They have to be light,
enormously powerful, pump nasty stuff, and are designed to run under
major stress for a couple of minutes.

John
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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This is all due to the fact that you don't want to admit that I'm right
about the costs and limitatoins of direct connect solar to the power grid?
haha.. What a weak person you must be.

We'll be happy to admit anything you say, just as soon as you show us
one.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Really? That assmes a certain level of opportunity costs and a
certain level of productivity and a competition for resources that
doesn't exist. Actually, its just my way of having fun.,

Ah well, old habits die hard. I never rented an apartment in
college. I rented a house and sublet rooms and lived for free. I
signed a long-term lease and fixed up the place in my spare time, and
made money from my housing.

I never bought a car to drive. I bought nice convertibles (usually two
and kept one to drive) in the fall that were definite fixer uppers
(I'm an engineer dammit) and fixed them up in my garage over the
school year, and in the spring sold two, at a nice profit, and drove a
nice car all summer with some spending money in my pocket! lol. Then
repeated the performance the following fall.

So, I turned my cost centers into profit centers.

Then, when I could I got a part time gig as a research associate at
the university, and got insurance and so forth...

And I began watching Wall Street Week on PBS back in the 70s and
invested in the market when it was at 780 - which also produced a nice
return and made me credit worthy citizen.

The only thing I would do differently is I would have bought my house
in school and sold it after I graduated rather than paying rent. But
like I said, you've either got the knack or you don't! What else am I
gonna do with my 'free time'? SPEND MONEY!? eew... haha..

I was thinking about breaking down and buying a boat, the 158'
Laurison Mustang Sally was for sale recently by Rich Schaden of
Quiizon's subs, but I couldn't figure a way to make it pay. So, I
vacillated and someone else bought it. ah well.

I've known a few people who were very good at making money, in the
sense of making money for its own sake, without actually creating
anything. They seemed to mostly do it for sport, to be a winner and to
flaunt it. As Larry Ellison [1] says, it's not enough that I win,
everybody else has to lose.

These guys, like many politicians, seem to often be sexual atheletes
too, again in the sense of scoring and winning. After realizing thet
they have mostly conquered half of the population, they often go after
the other half. I knew one guy like this that made a huge fortune and
had literally thousands of sexual partners. He never read an entire
book in his life, and couldn't sit through a movie; there was nothing
in it for him.

We're mainly engineers here, not overly concerned about money. We
mostly like to build things.

John

[1] Funny how I always dislike guys named Larry. We have a friend who
used to be Larry, nice guy, but last year he changed his name to
Jerome.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Why do you and/or why would Warren Buffett hate the truth and
otherwise have such disdain against our badly failing environment?


Why do you continue to post your lies and hatred?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Hey, I bet it was a Jewish _girl_ that beat you up.


And a four year old, to boot!


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
If it's anything like the known rusemasters and orchestrated naysayism
of what most folks right here within this mostly semitic anti-think-
tank usenet land, where next to nothing ever gets fairly treated or
even allowed to coexist on its own, as then we do in fact know of what
Ponzi (most likely another Italian Yid gone bad) was all about.

Of us village idiots being continually snookered by those in charge,
and thereby so easily dumbdounded past the point of no return is the
ultimate faith-based Ponzi scheme on steroids, along with having
introduced massive collateral damage and carnage of the innocent to
boot.
- Brad Guth -


So, you know everything, yet you are too stupid to use a search
engine? Charles Ponzi was the name of the man who created the pyramid
scheme. 'Double your money in 90 days!" Six dollars into 3000 dollars
in 30 days my sending elmails to six other people, etc... He sounds
like your kind of guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Bill Ward

Jan 1, 1970
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Monopropellant ? Are you planing on using it's 'fizz' to provide rocket
style propulsion ?

That's what the rocket backpack uses. Doesn't meet CAFE standards,
though.
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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I didn't. I said that makingH2O2is expensive and resource-hungry.

Thanks,
Rich

It obviously doesn't matter whatever you said, because they obviously
don't like anything you have to share.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Have your pal Warren write you a check.

Might have to do just that, as obviously this is all far too complex
for your pro big-energy and otherwise pro big-government head to deal
with, much less constructively contribute squat. At least Warren
Buffett knows a good future worthy investment when he sees one.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Why do you continue to post your lies and hatred?

Now that's our warm and fuzzy semitic Michael A. Terrell, isn't it.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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That's what the rocket backpack uses. Doesn't meet CAFE standards,
though.

Nothing other than big-energy and/or big-government ever meets with
your "CAFE standards", does it. Didn't you used to work for ENRON, or
was it something worse?
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Much like anything that's new and improved,h2o2is only spendy if not
having the clean and fully renewable cache of spare/surplus energy to
start off with, and as I'd said before that Warren Buffett, William
Mook and myself will gladly provided all those spare teraWatts of
affordably clean and renewable energy.

The new and improved hybridelectriccar, and of its ICE that runs on
such a composite of clean fuel, is more doable than you'd think.

h2o2as a monopropellant is only worth 2.9 Mj/kg, and the good blend
of low sulphur heating oil or LS diesel is worth 44 Mj/kg.

Keeping in mind that an amount greater than 7:1 as utilized ofh2o2:fossilis going require those 7+ parts ofh2o2per given part of
LS diesel.

7.25 * 2.9 + 44 = 65 Mj/kg of each consumed kg of that SL fossil fuel,
at that there's zero NOx and the absolute minimal amount of CO2
getting contributed per given kg or if you like per Hummer or GM Volt
mile.

Next taking into account, instead of getting 12.5% thermal dynamic
efficiency as obtained from the typical 4-Stroke or 4-cycle engine, of
getting at least twice that good if not nearly 4 times as much because
of using a 1-stroke or 1-cycle ICE that's not wasting all of that
kinetic energy by having to deal with going through all of those
wasted piston strokes. In other words, in addition to having the 65
Mj/kg to work with, it's entirely possible to reach a 50% worth of
thermal dynamic efficiency, and that's not to mention the small size
and minimal mass of this ICE that could be held in as little as one
hand.

The combined density of 1.32 g/cm3 for essentially obtaining 65 Mj/kg
of the LS fuel oil is in of its self impressive.

BTW, that LS diesel can be easily replaced by just about anything,
including the clean alternative fuel obtained from coal gassification
or any number of interesting biofuels, as they'll each burn hot an
clean along with having contributed zero NOx.
- Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text -

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Not exactly rocket science, is it.

Road fuel via coal gasification/liquefaction as syngas/synlio/synfuel
offers an amount of stored liquid energy that's worth 34~40 Mj/kg or
perhaps as low as 28 Mj/kg which can get pushed to roughly 36 Mj/kg if
a good amount of waste plastics are incorporated, although the energy
taken for the syngas production itself is substantial and by no means
offers an environment friendly process, often taking a ratio of 3:1 in
order to convert itself into liquid fuel (giving us roughly less than
100 years if all known reserves of coal were to be liquified), not to
mention the lives of coal miners taken and of whatever to do with all
of those nasty death-trap mines and vast open pits of toxic remains
once excavated.

So, it seems imperative that we utilize our fossil fuel reserves in
the best and most efficient way possible, that is unless you don't
mind energy wars and of worse things to come. So, we've got ourselves
roughly another spendy, sooty and bloody century to piss or get off
the pot. Of course by then we may not have to bother with the makings
of h2o2, LH2 or LOx in order to get the most clean energy and/or
mileage from a given amount of fossil fuel because, there will not be
any such affordable fossil fuels to burn, whereas instead every drop
of liquid fuel for our Hummers will have become spendy syngas/synoil/
synfuel of at least $10/gallon if we're extremely lucky.

Lots of nifty information about the consumption of coal with or w/o
capture of CO2, and/or along with fresh water.
http://sequestration.mit.edu/pdf/GHGT8_Maurstad.pdf

Coal liquefaction
http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/subpages/coal.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~energy/publications/pdf/2003/indirect.pdf
http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch3.pdf

http://www.nykomb.se/index.php?s=Chemicals
"Fischer-Tropsch diesel (FTD) fuel is colourless, non-toxic liquid
that has virtually no sulphur, or aromatics. FTD is not a compound but
a mix of hydrocarbons, mainly from C12 to C20. FTD is today produced
from natural gas and coal with big construction projects under way.
The energy content (LHV) is about 34 MJ/litre (44 MJ/kg) with slightly
lower density than regular diesel."

Similar to LPG, "DME is at normal atmospheric conditions a gas
(boiling point -25ºC) and must be handled under pressure (>5 bar) to
obtain a liquid. DME contains no impurities of sulphur or metals and
is under practical conditions a harmless gas from health and
environmental point of view (is among others used as propelling gas in
spray cans) and is non-mutagenic. DME is synthesised from methanol or
directly from synthesis gas. DME has as liquid an energy content (LHV)
of about 19 MJ/litre (28 MJ/kg) and yields more than 10% less CO2 per
energy unit at combustion compared to petrol."

There are low sulphur formulated heating oils that'll also offer 44 Mj/
kg as road fuel.

Somewhat like extracting oil from oily sand, whereas coal liquefaction
or gasification along with natural gas as used in order to make such
viable petrochemicals is what unavoidably creates a substantial dosage
of carbon dioxide in the process, as great as 4:1 consumption of
medium/low grade coal per given unit of liquified syngas seems
unacceptable at most any price. But what do I know, within a century
from now such synfuel becoming worth $100/gallon could be just the
best ever energy ticket to ride, especially nifty if you're in the
business of making and selling such spendy synfuel.

BTW, big-energy lie No.1 is that trillions upon trillions of
biological fossils in some way created such fuel, when in fact fossils
have damn little if anything to do with their having contributed to
the vast bulk of such global fuel reserves, and that's not my saying
that terrestrial fossils are not incorporated within certain
situations. Instead, most terrestrial fuels are a direct result of
Earth's planetology as having been exposed to and/or having interacted
with a much greater stellar influx than we have as of today. I bet
you folks thought all known life evolved purely right here on good old
mother Earth, and with having but that one and only same old passive
sun.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Fred Abse

Jan 1, 1970
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[1] Funny how I always dislike guys named Larry. We have a friend who
used to be Larry, nice guy, but last year he changed his name to
Jerome.

Reminds me of a bit of not-quite graffiti I saw in a rest area on I-5 in
Oregon (yes, I know, but I need to every couple of hours.) Someone had
stuck a neat thermal transfer tape label in one of the stalls:

"Larry the label guy was here."
 
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Fred Abse

Jan 1, 1970
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Feed pumps are always a big problem on rockets. They have to be light,
enormously powerful, pump nasty stuff, and are designed to run under
major stress for a couple of minutes.

Feynman's point was that they were expected to run under major stress for
a couple of minutes, then do it over again on the next launch, and so on.
He considered the lifetime predictions to be flawed.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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[1] Funny how I always dislike guys named Larry. We have a friend who
used to be Larry, nice guy, but last year he changed his name to
Jerome.

Reminds me of a bit of not-quite graffiti I saw in a rest area on I-5 in
Oregon (yes, I know, but I need to every couple of hours.) Someone had
stuck a neat thermal transfer tape label in one of the stalls:

"Larry the label guy was here."

Like the ski run with big signs that say

CAUTION -- SIGNS


John
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Now that's our warm and fuzzy semitic Michael A. Terrell, isn't it.


Another thing you have no clue about, but it doesn't stop you from
posting your usual ignorant drivel.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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