Conclusive physical evidence for AWG?

[krw]

Is it possible to enjoy American beer?

Yeeeurgh!!! :-(

Anyone who drinks beer warm'n'flat has no room to criticize
American beer, some of which are quite good.

 

[krw]

Proper beer, just like red wine, is intended to be consumed at room
temperature, and is not artificially pressured with carbon dioxide.

You can keep your swill warm'n'flat. No thanks.

Beer at freezing temperatures loses what ever flavour it had, which
probably makes American beer more palatable!

You're as clueless as Slowman.

 

[Raveninghorde]

The Exxon sponsorred lies have really taken root. Too bad it will end
the same way as the wanking bankers paying themselves huge bonuses to
wreck the world economy fiasco. The UK government doesn't even have the
balls to tell them they cannot have last years bonuses (despite the fact
they would be unemployed if we had let market forces rule absolutely).

Don't blame the bankers too much. The financial crisis is a failure of
government. Government set the rules, the bank reserve requirements
and set up a positive feedback mechanism forcing the banks to revalue
assets in line with collapsing market prices.

The government has the Bank of England, the Treasury and the FSA
making sure the banks behave properly. The regulators failed.

The UK government has over spent and fiddles the books more than any
banker. Off book financing with the private finance initiative and
off book costs for government employees pensions for example. The UK
is now broke even without rescuing the banks.

And you want to give the government more control of our lives under
the guise of preventing AGW? I'd trust Exxon more.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

What are the physical manifestations of global warming that we can
actually MEASURE and OBSERVE?

1. Exacerbation of starvation in the third world as the AGWists divert
food crops to make ethanol for their SUVs.

2. They've essentially destroyed the US economy.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Imagine that you're on a bus, having a party with beer and good looking
fellow party-goers. The bus is hurtling down the freeway at 60 miles an
hour.

Now some egghead pulls a map out of his pocket, and on the map, printed
in big letters, is a note that the freeway ends at a brick wall.

Maybe, but when the map is a flagrant out-and-out bald-faced lie, it's
pretty stupid to follow it.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

So, you can't actually _see_ electrons and holes -- therefore you can't
design IC's then, right?

So, in other words, since ther is no evidence, we're all supposed to go
into a panic based on your fantasy, right?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Rich

 

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And you want to give the government more control of our lives under
the guise of preventing AGW? I'd trust Exxon more.

I'm not surprised. You seem to get most of your insights on global
warming from web-sites that Exxon-Mobile subsidised at one point or
another.

Of course your own inventions are even more daft.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Bill, besides the usual problems with citing Wikipedia when
asked for a scientific citation, the Wikipedia page you refer
to does *not* say that "global temperatures got high enough
to kill off the majority of land animals."

I don't mind you having an opinion that differs from mine, and
I don't mind (much) your handwaving and refusal to address
peer-reviewed data that refutes your theory, but I very much
do mind the sort of intelectual dishonesty that causes you to
cite a webpage that doesn't say what you claim it says. That
is outside of the bounds of acceptable behavior, and I can no
longer trust anything you cite. Stick a fork in me. I am done.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/397959_murdockonline30.html
I love his closing line:
"So-called "global warming" has accomplished the impossible: It has
united liberals and conservatives in laughter."

Cheers!
Rich

 

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Maybe, but when the map is a flagrant out-and-out bald-faced lie, it's
pretty stupid to follow it.

Rich once again presents his own understanding of anthropogenic global
warming. He is - of course - too pig ignorant to be accused of lying,
even if he does happen to have come to a false conclusion.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

There are a couple of global extinctions where the global
temperatures got high enough to kill off the majority of
land animals - not just individuals but whole species and genera.

[Citation Needed]

Actually, I had been told that the meteor strike actually caused
the temperature to decline by blotting out the sun for some number of
years.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Do you doubt the accounts of growing grapes in England and Norse
farmers in Greenland, or do you conjecture that it wasn't warm in
places like the Americas that had not been discovered yet?

In the 1950's my family omved to a house in Minnesota where the wild
grapes were so abundant that the neighbors made wine, and there were
wine casks in our basement. Not being wine drinkers, we had a lot of
fun burning the old casks. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Which doesn't mean that the hockey stick isn't real. Mann's curve has
been replicated by a dozen other researchers, all using statistical
tools that would satisfy McIntyre and McKitrick's idiosyncratic
criteria.

[Citation Needed]

How to make a hockey stick graph:
1. Take a bunch of historical data:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-1.gif

2. Cheerry-pick some of it:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-2.gif

3. And extrapolate:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-3.gif

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

And in the UK the greenies are fighting the Severn Barrage that would
generate 20% of our electricity.

Greenies want us back in the stone age.

They've got some sort of cognitive dissonance - wouldn't it be nice if
the world were so warm year-round that we could live outside with the
trees and flowers and chirping birds?

Oh, wait - the apes in Africa are already doing that.

Never mind. ;-)
Rich

 

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So far the sea has risen what? a few mm per decade...?
When one little part of one pier in New York is under water, I will
agree with you..

Actually it looks more like 3.1mm/year since 1993, after sitting at
1.8mm/year for the previous century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

It will still take a while to submerge the piers in New York, unless
the ice sliding off the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets speeds up
any more - at the moment the GRACE satellites make them good for
0.55mm per year, but it isn't easy to understand what is actually
going on inside the ice sheets, though we can now directly measure the
total mass changes.

 

[bw]

[snip]

Anyone who drinks beer warm'n'flat has no room to criticize
American beer, some of which are quite good.

Proper beer, just like red wine, is intended to be consumed at room
temperature, and is not artificially pressured with carbon dioxide.

Beer at freezing temperatures loses what ever flavour it had, which
probably makes American beer more palatable!

American commercial beers, just like Aussie commercial beers, are
crap.

Agreed, they should not call it beer.

When I want a nice beer (very rarely, I prefer wine)) I get it at one
of our local micro-breweries.

...Jim Thompson

Genuine guiness for me, but I might try any locally brewed stout.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Which is funnier, using Wiki to prove something,
using a Twilight Zone episode to argue for something,
or a Wiki about a TZ episode used as argument?

Quit your job and walk around with a sandwich board
sign saying "The End Is Near!". LOL

I once saw a comic with one of those "TEIN" guys. The caption was,
"TEN... NINE... EIGHT... SEVEN..."

Cheers!
Rich

 

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1. Exacerbation of starvation in the  third world as the AGWists divert
food crops to make ethanol for their SUVs.

2. They've essentially destroyed the US economy.

Hope This Helps!

As we've explained to you before, you are blaming anthropogenic global
warming for two manifestations of Dubbya's incompetence.

Dubbya used AWG as an excuse for for bribing the farm vote with a
nonsensical subsidy for making bio-ethanol out of corn - you emit less
CO2 per mile if you use oil directly to drive your car, rather than
turning into ethanol by using it to grow corn on a US farm.

Dubbya destroyed the US economy (and severely damaged everybody elses)
by failing to regulate US banks mortgage loans. Anthropogenic global
warming didn't get into the act, even as a fig-leaf.

Hope this helps - but it is unlikely.

 

[Richard Henry]

So, in other words, since ther is no evidence, we're all supposed to go
into a panic based on your fantasy, right?

Panic? No.

Rational behavior would be nice.

 

[Raveninghorde]

Which doesn't mean that the hockey stick isn't real. Mann's curve has
been replicated by a dozen other researchers, all using statistical
tools that would satisfy McIntyre and McKitrick's idiosyncratic
criteria.

[Citation Needed]

How to make a hockey stick graph:
1. Take a bunch of historical data:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-1.gif

2. Cheerry-pick some of it:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-2.gif

3. And extrapolate:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/gw-3.gif

Cheers!
Rich

That's spot on.

 

[Raveninghorde]

I'm not surprised. You seem to get most of your insights on global
warming from web-sites that Exxon-Mobile subsidised at one point or
another.

Of course your own inventions are even more daft.

Actually my inventions are quite profitable