Silly resistor values

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Charlie E.

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm puzzled. What IS "diff pair" support?

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,
Differential pairs, used for sending digital signals on PCBs. They
required the two traces to be matched in impedance and delay, and
usually they are routed adjacent to each other. Allegro has support
for routing in this mode, and Concept deals with it pretty easily. On
the schematics, it is just a property of the traces to let the
layouter know they need to be kept together.

Charlie
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
krw said:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:31:27 -0700, Joerg <[email protected]> [...]

Oh, and Cadsoft Eagle? Hasn't crashed in years, since the first day I
fired it up. That's what I expect from CAD and that's how it ought to
be, as far as I am concerned. And being self-employed I vote with my
wallet on this stuff :)
Nothing else on my work computer crashes regularly, except Capture.
I can add one that crashes more, on all computers here: Adobe Acrobat
Reader. But I guess everyone knows that.

You must have crappy hardware. <rdh>

Dell, Samsung, another Dell, plus a ruggedized laptop. Not exactly
bottom of the barrel ;-)
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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FatBytestard said:
Few Linux apps crash. That doesn't magically make it a robust app,
however. Wallet or not. Time has a price as well, and mine ain't cheap.


Umm, it runs under Windows XP. It is a robust app.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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FatBytestard said:
I can add one that crashes more, on all computers here: Adobe Acrobat
Reader. But I guess everyone knows that.

[...]

Mine is all updated, and has NEVER crashed.

When you attempt to print a large pdf, you should locally spool the
print job first. If you do not know how to set your printer/computer up
to spool properly, you deserve to have crashes until someone guides you
through the process.

Operator error... again.


Then how come all the other software doesn't have such problems? Looks
like they did something right, doesn't it?
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
krw said:
John Larkin wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
[...]

I never do hierarchical schematics. Everything's flat.

Then we have almost opposite CAD habits. But at least we have similar
beer taste, only the good stuff :)
What happens to reference designators in a hierarchical schematic?

Typically it numbers right on through if you hit auto-number. But it
really never mattered to me in my Orcad days because most clients wanted
a back annotation anyhow, so that the top left of the physical PCB
started with R1, C1 and the bottom right would end with R542, C367. Then
that got fed into the schematic, I updated my module spec with the new
refdeses, done.

I don't understand that. If the schematic has a main controller part
and, say, 16 channels, and you draw one instance of the channel,
abstract that into a block, and draw 16 of the blocks - which is what
a hierarchical schematic does - how does each instance have its own
reference designators, sequantial across all the modules?

Yes, it just starts with the next available number at block 1, then goes
on to block 2 and so on until all sub-sheets are done. For proper
documentation you must let it print out all 16 blocks, otherwise a
technician could never repair the unit. For a design review you don't
necessarily have to (in med or aero and such you usually do).
We're planning on setting the service and test departments up with
schematic viewers so they can use the hierarchy.
Hey, did you start modernizing the place? When I did that the first time
it was met with quite a bit of resistance. Until they started feeling
the benefits. "How did you get that stock room quantity?" ... "From my
computation machine." ... "Oh."

If I have anything to do with it... They already have the PCs, but
use them to view PDFs.

I think I finally got them to understand that engineering really needs
prices. Sometime in the future they're going to dump the purchasing
database into the parts database once a month. It's a start.
Quantity?

Quantity on hand should be in there as well. So that a rookie doesn't
design in the uA741 that purchasing still has to occasionally buy for
the old design that uncle Leroy did in the 70's.


Next issue: how do you deal with multiple SKUs built off the same
schematics? They want us to manually edit the schematics for service.
I'm trying to convince them that they really don't want to do that. I
certainly don't want to be held responsible for multiple versions of
the same data.


Old rule: When only one part on the circuit board is changed in value it
is another assembly and must get another assy number. No ifs, buts or whens.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
[...]
If the most important thing in life is the cost of printer paper, you
may have a point. OTOH, hierarchies are easier to understand,
simulate, and reuse; sorta the point of schematics.

Somehow I don't have trouble understanding 16 sheets that are labeled
CHANNEL 0 through CHANNEL 15, each with all the reference designators
and connector pins in plain view.

That will drastically change when it's a bigger board that has lots of
other things besides those 16 channels.
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Umm, it runs under Windows XP. It is a robust app.

I thought Eagle was a Linux app.

Also, there is more to being robust than whether or not it crashes.
Under ANY OS.

Eagle is not on the list.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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FatBytestard said:
I thought Eagle was a Linux app.

Mainly Windows but you can also get it for Linux.

Also, there is more to being robust than whether or not it crashes.
Under ANY OS.

Frequent crashes are a sure sign of a program _not_ being robust.

Eagle is not on the list.


What list? Yours?
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Then how come all the other software doesn't have such problems? Looks
like they did something right, doesn't it?

You have to know a little bit about how print jobs are constructed, and
what you are dealing with.

A pdf is a full bit map. Every pixel is defined and stored. That is
totally different than how a regular document is formatted for output to
a printer. That means that a pdf with a large number of pages makes for
a HUGE datagram when printing.

So depending on how you have your spooler set up, you can cause the
print job to puke if the datagram is huge.

Even on today's modern boxes.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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FatBytestard said:
You have to know a little bit about how print jobs are constructed, and
what you are dealing with.

A pdf is a full bit map. Every pixel is defined and stored. That is
totally different than how a regular document is formatted for output to
a printer. That means that a pdf with a large number of pages makes for
a HUGE datagram when printing.

So depending on how you have your spooler set up, you can cause the
print job to puke if the datagram is huge.

Even on today's modern boxes.


I never said anything about printing. It does hang there as well once in
a while but usually it hangs up just showing a small document. A couple
megabytes maybe. That can't be too hard to get right in a software,
others have done it a long time ago.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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I never said anything about printing. It does hang there as well once in
a while but usually it hangs up just showing a small document. A couple
megabytes maybe. That can't be too hard to get right in a software,
others have done it a long time ago.

Back-up to an older version. v4 is stable as a rock, though v7 is
pretty good.

...Jim Thompson
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Mainly Windows but you can also get it for Linux.


No. It was firstly and "mainly" written as a Linux app and then
eventually got ported to Windows from what I recall.
 
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FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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I never said anything about printing. It does hang there as well once in
a while but usually it hangs up just showing a small document. A couple
megabytes maybe. That can't be too hard to get right in a software,
others have done it a long time ago.

Others do not have problems opening pdfs, so either you create
retarded, non-compliant pdfs, or you have a piece of shit box.

Why do I not see huge volumes of folks complaining about problems with
pdfs and acrobat the way you do?

The finger begins to point back at you, chucko.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Back-up to an older version. v4 is stable as a rock, though v7 is
pretty good.

Yes, that's what other have said as well. It's like with OS'es where
usually it's "older = more stable".
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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FatBytestard said:


So, have you been on the design team?

... It was firstly and "mainly" written as a Linux app and then
eventually got ported to Windows from what I recall.


First it was written for DOS, then ported to Windows.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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I can add one that crashes more, on all computers here: Adobe Acrobat
Reader. But I guess everyone knows that.

[...]

Mine is all updated, and has NEVER crashed.

When you attempt to print a large pdf, you should locally spool the
print job first. If you do not know how to set your printer/computer up
to spool properly, you deserve to have crashes until someone guides you
through the process.

Operator error... again.

Adobe is bloatware spyware crap. Even if it didn't crash, it's
amazingly slow. Get Foxit Reader and CutePDF and see the difference.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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You have to know a little bit about how print jobs are constructed, and
what you are dealing with.

A pdf is a full bit map. Every pixel is defined and stored.

Always Wrong!

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Others do not have problems opening pdfs, so either you create
retarded, non-compliant pdfs, or you have a piece of shit box.

Adobe hangs up, just viewing files, on every machine I own: Dell, HP,
Sony Vaio. Sometines it's so slow it might as well be hung up.
Why do I not see huge volumes of folks complaining about problems with
pdfs and acrobat the way you do?

Not me. I don't use Adobe crap any more.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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So, have you been on the design team?




First it was written for DOS, then ported to Windows.

What... is he Wrong Again? And so early in the day?

John
 
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