The Electric Car

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Punjab The Sailor Man

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
I agree, that our badly failing environment needs that do or die kick
in the butt, whereas the all electric car is technically doable,
especially with the enviro safe and clean h2o2/aluminum battery, along
with as much global renewable energy that's put in charge of producing
the h2o2 and aluminum.

However, there's no such thing as 100% safe energy, or even of those
products made with said energy. I'm certain there will be those
deaths associated with getting fusion energy up and running,
especially if any of that required bulk or volume of He3 is derived
from our moon.

Klondike III wind project: tower failre likely due to excessive
torque.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2720796920070828
Chadd Mitchell, 35, was killed on Saturday afternoon when a 242-foot-
tall tower he was working on toppled over, said a dispatcher for the
Sherman County Sheriff's Department.

Mitchell, of Goldendale, Washington, was working at the top of the
tower -- essentially a hollow tube -- when it buckled. A second worker
in the tube was injured and a third worker on the ground was not hurt,
according to The Oregonian newspaper. Federal officials are
investigating the incident, it said.

"the turbine blades were manufactured in Denmark and the towers in the
United States"

"The specific tower, W-1, was located at the easternmost row of towers
in the Klondike III project"
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Oddly there's no specific mention of the tower engineering firm or of
those in charge of having built such towers.

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http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200708300438DOWJONESDJONLINE000539_FORTUNE5.htm
Jim Johnson, a mechanical engineer with the federal National Renewable
Energy Lab's wind technology center, discounted the possibility of a
structurally deficient tower.

"It's not impossible, but it's extremely unlikely for a tower to be at
fault on its own and to buckle and fall," he said.

But Johnson also found it difficult to come up with a scenario under
which the blades turned quickly enough and the braking systems came on
suddenly enough to torque or vibrate and buckle the tower.

Paul Gipe of the Ontario Sustainable Energy Association in Toronto
maintains the only worldwide database on wind tower deaths.

According to his figures, there have been 33 previous deaths
worldwide associated with wind towers since 1975, with 18 of them in
the United States.
The most recent accidental death took place when a worker fell 210
feet in Chandler, Minn. in 2005
Last year, a wind gust bent and twisted a tower at the Condon
Wind Project in Gilliam County, but there were no injuries associated
with that accident.
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Obviously the rotational braking torque was unavoidably 100%
transferred into twisting that support tower, and with that tonnage of
blades in motion along with maximum braking applied would have placed
all of that rotational energy into the tower itself. Why such blades
have to be so decelerated to such a complete stop and so quickly is
clearly not understood. I'd like a look-see at the mechanical specs
and results of subsequent testing of those towers, which obviously had
little if any structural reserve to work safely within such torque
issues.

Americans seem genetically mutated as to specialize in cutting corners
at every opportunity, and then some. Hopefully our future of He3
fusion derived energy will become as robust and reliable as my LSE-CM/
ISS. Otherwise, we know that most anything of fossil and yellowcake
derived energy is birth to grave deadly in more spendy, lethal and
toxic ways than we can count, not to mention the ongoing collateral
damage and carnage of the innocent related to 9/11 and our ongoing
efforts at taking control of Iracq's oil.
- Brad Guth -

Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is
increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we
clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will
double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind.
 
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Erdemal

Jan 1, 1970
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Punjab The Sailor Man wrote:

Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is
increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we
clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will
double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind.

And nothing of mankind will remain, forgotten forever.
like in "Cien Años de Soledad".

Erdy
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Erdemal said:
Punjab The Sailor Man wrote:



And nothing of mankind will remain, forgotten forever.
like in "Cien Años de Soledad".

You're not actually gullible enough to believe that are you ?

Graham
 
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MooseFET

Jan 1, 1970
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His number seems quite reasonable to me. I can't see the USA giving up
on ugly monster gas guzzling cars until either Washington takes a
direct hit from a category 5 hurricane or oil becomes seriously scarce
and expensive. Both of these are long way into the future (unless
Saudia Arabia falls prey to Al Qaida).

I can see the US moving away from them. It won't be a big step to the
small cars. It will be a step to smaller better looking cars.

Many years ago, I owned a Studebaker Lark. You could hold a
squaredance in the leg room of the back seat, the trunk was huge and
it could spin its tires if you really demanded it of it. It also got
30 MPG on the highway. That big bulbous shape was actually fairly
streamlined and it had no features that drew power.

I figure that the style will change and the optional equipment will
get less energy hungry. The newer versions of many of the SUVs are
lower. They are not built on top of pickup truck chassis anymore.
Ford lowered the Exploder so it wouldn't corner on its lid so much but
I bet that the milage improved from that too.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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His number seems quite reasonable to me. I can't see the USA giving up
on ugly monster gas guzzling cars until either Washington takes a
direct hit from a category 5 hurricane or oil becomes seriously scarce
and expensive. Both of these are long way into the future (unless
Saudia Arabia falls prey to Al Qaida).

If they got control, al Qaida would more than likely increase oil
production, IMHO. They'd need the money for defense and social
services.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:

In 1421 a Chinese Imperial Navy squadron sailed right round the Arctic and found
no ice anywhere. It
is possible that at that time there was less of an icecap at the North Pole than
there is now, particularly
in summer. Yet the polar bears survived. Though there has been much discussion
of the supposed threat
posed by the warmer Arctic, the polar bears are thriving in the current warm
period. Eleven of the
thirteen principal known families are prospering as never before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gra...f;jsessionid=PFT3OSENFDIP3QFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0

Graham
 
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Erdemal

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
You're not actually gullible enough to believe that are you ?

All I know is that my wishes never come true.

Erdy
 
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Joe Strout

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Losing the floating sea ice won't raise sea levels much of course.
True.

Meanwhile the Antarctic ice cap continues to gain mass.

Utter garbage. See, for example:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2006-028

There have been thickenings (due to increased snowfall, an effect of
global warming) in some portions of the ice cap, but the mass of the
entire Antarctic ice sheet as a whole is decreasing.
 
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Dan Bloomquist

Jan 1, 1970
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Martin said:
His number seems quite reasonable to me. I can't see the USA giving up
on ugly monster gas guzzling cars until either Washington takes a
direct hit from a category 5 hurricane or oil becomes seriously scarce
and expensive. Both of these are long way into the future (unless
Saudia Arabia falls prey to Al Qaida).

I'm seven years into the study of peak oil and the economic
implications. We are doing nothing of any significance to fix this. And
that on the back of debt quality, worldwide, that makes the great
depression look like a cake walk. Graham refuses to address the numbers.
In the stead he makes it personal and just continues to call me a
doomer. But I don't expect any less from someone in denial.

As for this being a long way off, what numbers are you using? Spare
capacity is almost nonexistent now. Conventional production is already
in decline. They can't build GTL plants fast enough. Total, conventional
+ other, has been flat for a couple of years now. What numbers I see say
'a long way into the future' is likely a few years.

As for SA, we don't know the condition of their production. It is quite
likely they have peaked. And I would worry much less about Al Qaida and
more about the West going to war with Iran.

Best, Dan.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Forget it. We are already past the point of no return. Yes, co2 is
increasing greenhouse but particulates are blocking sun light. When we
clean the particulate emissions out of the air the temperature will
double, melt all the glaciers left and kill mankind.


You're an idiot. CO2 increases follow planetary temperature
increases... by about 800 years. It has nothing to do with us.

One volcano puts out more CO2 than all the cars, and cows, and jets
that ever flew or farted. Get a clue. There are hundreds of active
volcanoes, and the second place winner is the output of the oceans. We
don't even make a fucking dent.

Gore pulled the wool over your eyes, boy.
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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The All Electric AL-h2o2 or Hybrid Electric Hummer @100 empg and Zero
NOx, is not nearly as naysay as these Usenet spooks, moles and
infomercial spewing rusemasters would have you believe. Yid's (aka
pretend atheists) are not exactly big on positive/constructive
thinking, that is unless it involves the demise and/or extermination
of others, as perhaps why they'd thought putting one of their own kind
on a stick was a good sort of PR notion at the time.

The not so little h2o2 + fossil/biofuel Hummer alternative, that
seriously could save our AGW sorry butts, and then some. It's doable
as of more than a decade ago, that is if it wasn't for the bloody
gauntlet of naysayism that's intent upon blocking each and every path.

Our failing environment badly needs that do or die kick in our fossil
sucking butt, whereas the all electric car has been technically
doable, especially with the enviro-safe and otherwise clean h2o2/
aluminum (AL-h2o2) battery or semi-fuel-cell, along with allowing as
much global renewable energy put in charge of producing the raw h2o2
and aluminum.

However, as you folks should realize there's no such thing as 100%
safe energy, or even of those products made with said energy. I'm
certain there will become those unfortunate deaths associated with
getting fusion energy up and running, especially if any of that
required bulk or volume of He3 is derived from our moon, as well as
there being a few more of those wind and solar farm along with other
renewable energy related deaths, though all combined a far cry from
the ongoing fossil and all-inclusive yellowcake related deaths, and at
hardly 1% the environmental impact.
Sevenhundred Elves:
Please, tell me again what problems you aim to solve with your proposed
use of H2O2. I believe one valid point of it is to reduce the amount of
nitrous compounds in the exhaust. What else do you have?

By way of safely creating and utilizing h2o2, I do believe we're on
the right set of technological tracks for resolving a good number of
enviro-friendly energy and AGW problems, by simply allowing the best
available technology of liquid fuels and energy cells to prevail.

Just to start off with, it'll offer lots of compact energy as derived
from a fairly small radial turbine or rotary like engine (I'd think
partly if not mostly ceramic).

Efficient at a forth the ICE strokes, as there's obviously no
atmospheric intake issues, and therefore there's none of those wasted
intake, compression or exhaust strokes.

There's an absolute minimum of those sooty and toxic/acidic CO2
exhaust fumes generated and obviously zero worth of NOx, especially
nifty whenever having to operate within a tunnel or in most other
tight quarters (obviously zero toxic when on battery).

There shouldn't be any sulphur unless intentionally kept within the
small amount of consumed fossil fuel or added to whatever biofuel.

It's extremely smooth and quiet operating, especially stealth as a
fully hybrid AWD configuration.

It will run nearly as well under water or under mud (though at geratly
reduced empg) as it would function even better than 100 empg in a
given vacuum, such as upon our moon or Mars (DoD and even NASA should
seriously love this kick ass Hummer).

The full minute+ and likely up to six minutes worth of hybrid burst or
peak wheel energy of delivering a combined 1000 shp is perfectly
doable within existing wheel-motor spec, along with otherwise as much
as a sustained 250 shp for those extended hauling applications, and
otherwise the combined 125 SHP worth of a continuous AWD rating would
actually require a very small radial/rotary ICE.

Nearly any kind of fossil or biofuel alternatives will suit the needs
of getting the most clean energy bang per kg of whatever fuel and
h2o2.

It is relatively end-user safe and sane because, us dumbfounded
village idiot humans will never see or much less touch the h2o2.

h2o2 should also directly provide for the 10 kg 12.5 kwhr worth of
hybrid battery energy (optional 20 kg 25 kwhr). Of course for added
end-user and aggressive gridlock jamming safety is why those AL-h2o2
batteries will need robust packaging, therefore you can double if not
triple the given mass to being worth at least 20 kg for the 12.5 kwhr
and 40 kg for the 25 kwhr cell, but even at 30 kg/12.5 kwhr or
respectively 60 kg/25 kwhr is still a good deal of safe battery energy
storage per kg, as well as per cm3. BTW, the Al-h2o2 battery or
energy/fuel cell itself is not per say recharged off the grid, but
simply instead given a small supply of aluminum plus sharing some of
the raw h2o2 that's going to be consumed along with whatever fossil or
biofuel.

The makings of h2o2 can be every bit as green and/or as renewable as
you'd care to make them. There can even be an internal h2o-->h2o2
conversion process incorporated within the Hummer (aka: add water and
plug it in).

There'd soon be 85% less fossil and/or biofuels consumed for such
formats of h2o2 composite hybrids, allowing for much less of fossil
fuel having to be extracted from deep within Earth, or as liquid fuel
processed out of coal, extracted from oily sand and/or created via
spendy biofuel alternatives, and perhaps eventually zero of such
imported (including from Canada or Mexico). The all inclusive fossil
related environmental impact would soon thereafter drop off to a dull
roar, without having to infringe upon those pesky old atmospheric
burning and environmentally polluting engines. Meanwhile, spendy Coal
gassification fuels would burn very nicely along with h2o2, and most
of our more iffy/lethal coal mines could be shut down until fully
robotic operations are established, thus much fewer industry related
injuries and deaths to deal with and having to pay dearly for.

In addition to what I've just contributed on behalf of using h2o2,
there's also a little something positive and thus constructive to
being said about the renewable energy surplus going into any number of
biofuel or even on behalf of coal gassification productions. For
example; the absolute lowest grade of coal or oil shale burns
extremely well when given the benefit of h2o2, and this USA has more
of such low grade coal and oil shale than the good stuff. Therefore,
any and all amounts of h2o2 can be put to good use.

I'll further share as to whatever renewable energy that's in surplus
can just as easily become diverted into making the likes of LH2, LOx
and h2o2 (you pick), plus accommodating whatever fossil or biofuel
productions. You nice folks should also appreciate that we're
currently pillaging and raping mother Earth's oceans for a nifty tally
of extracting 100 million tonnes/year of seafood (that's not including
global sport and subsistence fishing), and since we've been
artificially polluting via our human soot saturated CO2, NOx and
various other nifty toxins and radioactive waste, as having created a
measurable global dimming fiasco, plus indirectly a good number of and
ever expanding volumes of those ocean dead zones getting warmer and
deeper by the year, whereas such I was wondering how much biofuel
could be obtained from extracting and processing a billion tonnes per
year worth of those nasty jellyfish that thrive within such ocean dead
zones.

There are a few other nifty advantages that I'll have to recall from
previous research and subsequent deductive notions, as based upon the
regular laws of physics and the best available science (including a
few of those our warm and fuzzy NASA has on the books), that by rights
should pan out in favor of what h2o2 plus a little fossil or whatever
biofuel can provide as our best liquid energy compromise (short of
those ET boat loads of methane from Titan, and some viable method of
subsequently exporting our sooty NOx and CO2 off-world).
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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The GMC VOLT is on the right set of Earth and human friendly tracks,
of becoming a hydrogen peroxide hybrid that'll easily obtain a clean/
(zero NOx) 200 empg from whatever little bit of fossil or whatever
biofuel.

The h2o2/Aluminum battery energy density aspect alone is doable as is,
and the hybrid dual-fuel injected little engine is certainly every bit
as doable, except smaller and a whole lot more powerful for its size
than any atmospheric breathing and subsequently NOx polluting engine.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
The GMC VOLT is on the right set of Earth and human friendly tracks,
of becoming a hydrogen peroxide hybrid that'll easily obtain a clean/
(zero NOx) 200 empg from whatever little bit of fossil or whatever
biofuel.

It is NOT going to use H2O2.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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The GMC VOLT is on the right set of Earth and human friendly tracks,
of becoming a hydrogen peroxide hybrid that'll easily obtain a clean/
(zero NOx) 200 empg from whatever little bit of fossil or whatever
biofuel.

The h2o2/Aluminum battery energy density aspect alone is doable as is,
and the hybrid dual-fuel injected little engine is certainly every bit
as doable, except smaller and a whole lot more powerful for its size
than any atmospheric breathing and subsequently NOx polluting engine.
- Brad Guth -

And of course we have the all-knowing naysayer Eeyore to always thank
for all the progress that's going in reverse, as well as for the
reason we're at war with Muslims that just so happen to all of that
oil which apparently belonged to us.

It's a good thing we took out Saddam as based upon those phony WMD,
before Eeyore and his kind more than tripled that per barrel value.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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And of course we have the all-knowing naysayer Eeyore to always thank
for all the progress that's going in reverse, as well as for the
reason we're at war with Muslims that just so happen to all of that
oil which apparently belonged to us.

It's a good thing we took out Saddam as based upon those phony WMD,
before Eeyore and his kind more than tripled that per barrel value.
- Brad Guth -

More like quadrupled.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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More like quadrupled.

Sorry about that, as for topic affect I usually try my best to
exaggerate upon such matters, in order to make a greater point that
it's not looking good.

BTW, I believe the current cost per barrel of getting such bloody Iraq
oil into a given supertanker is currently at less than $1/barrel. Go
figure as to why we're having to pay so freaking much on the global
oil market.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry about that, as for topic affect I usually try my best to
exaggerate upon such matters, in order to make a greater point that
it's not looking good.

BTW, I believe the current cost per barrel of getting such bloody Iraq
oil into a given supertanker is currently at less than $1/barrel. Go
figure as to why we're having to pay so freaking much on the global
oil market.
- Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text -

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"Follow the money." -- Deep Throat

Who is making the most profits off this?
 
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