[Eeyore]

What does it matter, if the original resource of those electrons came
from a 100% renewable and squeaky clean resource?

Aluminium smelting ISN'T squeaky clean however.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Isn't 10% of something that's clean and renewable better off than 100%
of what's further pillaging, raping and polluting of mother Earth
that's anything but renewable?

Meaningless MORONIC mumbo-jumbo.

Graham

 

[BradGuth]

BradGuthwrote:


No you haven't.

If you were SERIOUS you'd post them on a website instead of expecting people to search (for
stupidity and who wants to look for a lload of nonsense). Have you ANY IDEA how difficult it is
to trawl through old Usenet posts looking for a 'needle in a haystack' ?

Sorry about all that, as I'd thought you were only interested in
wanting to rape each of my raw sources of information, and could care
less about any of my applications or intentions towards the salvation
of our environment, along with achieving the maximum benefit with the
leas negative impact from our remaining fossil or spendy biofuel
energy.

Silly me, for thinking you guys actually had any honest thoughts or
intentions of constructively contributing, other than your usual pro
ExxonMobil flak, and isn't that also why your trusty MIB army of
usenet/internet spooks and moles are into their usual of sharing as
much of their spermware/fuckware on behalf of trashing my poor old PC?

Because you've so nicely asked, I'll have to edit/update and share one
of my old external pages. Thanks for that friendly reminder because,
I haven't done so for quite some time.

In any case your 'numbers' must be wrong. It barely requires high-school grade maths to show
that your ideas are completely INSANE.

The most important fact is that H2O2 doesn't improve 'mpg'. In fact (taking the total energy
burden of manufacturing it) it degrades it.

Graham

Your insurmountable naysayism is noted. You can now go back to
pillaging and raping mother Earth for all she's worth.
- Brad Guth -

 

[Eeyore]

Your insurmountable naysayism is noted.

What I have stated are insurmountable FACTS !

You can now go back to pillaging and raping mother Earth for all she's worth.

MORON.

Graham

 

[BradGuth]

Brad Gruth doesn't care about efficiency. In his world there will be limitless
FREE solar power to do this.

I guess you know lots more than most of us village idiots, as to where
that 64,000+ teraWatts of solar energy is going, along with the 7.2e20
kw that's continually existing somewhere between us and our moon, not
to mention terrestrial wind that's seriously kicking our AGW butts,
plus tidal flows and geothermal energy that's clearly for the taking
by those half as smart as Warren Buffett, and that's only demanding
that you be 1% as smart as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).

Are you saying thar Eeyore and company isn't 1% as smart as GW Bush?

At which point of course he simply shows himself to be a clueless IDIOT.

At least the mindset of this supposed "clueless IDIOT" hasn't imposed
or otherwise caused any collateral damage or carnage of the innocent.
How about your energy sucking and global polluting self?
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

BradGuthwrote:


Aluminium smelting ISN'T squeaky clean however.

There's no such thing as any ideal or safe energy, as even
hydroelectric dams and soon enough He3 fusion has it's negatives of
environment impacting considerations, similar to the nuclear option
that's rather chuck full of somewhat testy negatives once the all-
inclusive and full birth-to-grave aspects are taken fully into
account, though still much better off than burning coal that's about
as dark-age pathetic derived energy with horrific consequences as it
gets.

On a scale of 1-10, h2o2/aluminum and h2o2/fossil are each right up
there as being one of the good guys, especially once most of the
required energy for producing and/or processing either of those items
into consumer energy products is derived freom the 100% renewable
technology of energy that's squeaky clean as can be accomplished
without our having to cause such collateral damage or kill off more of
those innocent folks in the process.
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

BradGuthwrote:


What I have stated are insurmountable FACTS !

Your "insurmountable FACTS" are fully supported by your ExxonMobil
partners in crimes against humanity, and they do very much thank you
from the very bottoms of their little sooty black hearts.
- Brad Guth -

 

[Rich Grise]

I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer,
plus its weight and rolling resistance.

If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that
the power required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never
allow '100 mpg' or its equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt.

Yeah, but does he have enough money to build one for a demonstration?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Piston engines haven't changes fundamentally in 100 years, despite lots of
challenges from turbines, Sterling monstrosities, various weird rotary
engines, steam, fuel cells, whatever. That's pretty impressive. Still
pistons, rings, cranks, cams, poppet valves, spark plugs.

I've heard that someone has even tried electric valves, but it didn't
fly for some reason.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Eeyore]

Your "insurmountable FACTS" are fully supported by your ExxonMobil
partners in crimes against humanity, and they do very much thank you
from the very bottoms of their little sooty black hearts.

Exxon have no influence over the laws of phsyics you complete MORON.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I've heard that someone has even tried electric valves, but it didn't
fly for some reason.

Expect to see more of that. The idea is to reduce power consumption. The load on
the cambelt or chain is quite significant.

Graham

 

[John Larkin]

What does it matter, if the original resource of those electrons came
from a 100% renewable and squeaky clean resource?

Of course it matters. Which entity, private or public, that has a
source of electrical energy, will elect to throw it away at, say, 20%
efficiency, when they can sell it on the open market, for whatever is
the going price?

Isn't 10% of something that's clean and renewable better off than 100%
of what's further pillaging, raping and polluting of mother Earth
that's anything but renewable?

No. As I suspected, you are yet another dreamer who imagines all the
wonderful things we could do if energy were free. It ain't.

It's within the regular laws of physics, and it's on the internet. Go
fish.

No, you have the idea, and are flogging it to a bunch of engineers.
Show us some numbers.

But of course, you can't.

What is it about spare/surplus clean energy that you do not
understand?

It doesn't exist, which makes it a lot harder to understand.

Perhaps you need to speak with wizard Willie Moo, or simply address
the 65,000 teraWatts of solar energy influx that's mostly (99.9999%)
going to waste, or that of the Earth/moon energy of 2e20 joules that's
equally 99.9999999% or greater ignored and/or wasted.

Solar energy is low density and is only on during the day, in good
weather. There are no commercially viable solar-electric capture
technologies in existance today, other than for niche and novelty
applications, like satellites and emergency call boxes. If solar
electric generation became feasible some day, its first priority would
be daytime peaking generation, which it's ideally suited for. If
vehicles were electrically powered, via batteries or your aluminum
thing, the power would be used night-time, off-peak, and hence not
solar.

Then god forbid, don't you folks dare change a damn thing, as there's
still ice to melt and our frail environment to trash according to your
original plan.

We're engineers: our job is to change things. What separates you from
us is that we actually do it, and our stuff works.

John

 

[John Larkin]

There's no such thing as any ideal or safe energy, as even
hydroelectric dams and soon enough He3 fusion has it's negatives of
environment impacting considerations, similar to the nuclear option
that's rather chuck full of somewhat testy negatives once the all-
inclusive and full birth-to-grave aspects are taken fully into
account, though still much better off than burning coal that's about
as dark-age pathetic derived energy with horrific consequences as it
gets.

On a scale of 1-10, h2o2/aluminum and h2o2/fossil are each right up
there as being one of the good guys, especially once most of the
required energy for producing and/or processing either of those items
into consumer energy products is derived freom the 100% renewable
technology of energy that's squeaky clean as can be accomplished
without our having to cause such collateral damage or kill off more of
those innocent folks in the process.

One of the major by-products of electrolytic aluminum smelting is CO2!
Look it up.

I don't know much about the energetics of making H2O2, but it seems
like a damned silly way to transport oxygen, when air is free.

So your obsession isn't aluminum, it's H2O2? Wild.

John

 

[John Larkin]

I've heard that someone has even tried electric valves, but it didn't
fly for some reason.

I think they're coming back.

John

 

[Eeyore]

So your obsession isn't aluminum, it's H2O2? Wild.

The guy is a complete wack job.

Graahm

 

[John Larkin]

Your "insurmountable FACTS" are fully supported by your ExxonMobil
partners in crimes against humanity, and they do very much thank you
from the very bottoms of their little sooty black hearts.

Conspiracy theory. Goofy inventions always end in a conspiracy theory.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

Conspiracy theory. Goofy inventions always end in a conspiracy theory.

John

Methinks BradGuth is the fairy persona of Fred Bloggs ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil
is that good men do nothing.
-Edmund Burke

 

[Rich Grise]

BradGuth wrote: ....
MORON.

Trollfeeder.

 

[Robert Adsett]

What is it about spare/surplus clean energy that you do not
understand?

Perhaps you need to speak with wizard Willie Moo, or simply address
the 65,000 teraWatts of solar energy influx that's mostly (99.9999%)
going to waste, or that of the Earth/moon energy of 2e20 joules that's
equally 99.9999999% or greater ignored and/or wasted.

Going to waste? It's maintaining life on this planet, something I'm
rather attached to myself.

Robert

 

[Punjab The Sailor Man]

I agree. What else is our government good for, if not to impress us
with all of it's wizardly expertise and can-do mindset.
-

The all electric car is technically doable, although having even a
small onboard ICE for the minimal cruising needs of sustaining 60+ mph
might represent a good compromise, especially if it's contributing
zero NOx and minimal CO2 at a hybrid usage of 200 empg per fossil fuel
usage.

The Electric Car / sci.electronics.design
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/2bfee708dee351b9?


Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. Of
course double-ditto-duh once again, as it's hybrid city or local
commute empg, and having replaced our mostly N2 atmosphere with that
robust fluid of h2o2, so that we obtain the most clean energy and best
amount of bang per gallon of whatever fossil or biofuel, is actually
accomplished within existing physics and doable technology.

I believe the mass ratio is something like roughly 7:1 up to 7.2:1 for
h2o2/c12h26 (hydrogen peroxide / kerosene or RP-1), a little better on
certain heavier fuel oils such as diesel No.2 and perhaps nearly as
good enough with plain old gasoline, and a bit worse off with certain
biofuels, though all dual fuel injected and 100% computer controlled
(of course), so that your little zero NOx engine for that hybrid
Hummer or GM Volt can safely mix and match to almost any combination
of fossil and biofuels as your heart desires.
http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm

We're also talking about a fairly small radial turbine or some other
rotary efficient engine that's driving a direct coupled high speed
alternator. I suppose you've got those insurmountable problems with
that as well.

What's your sorry excuse for being such an all-knowing naysay stick in
the mud?
- Brad Guth -

How about a propane hybrid?