The Electric Car

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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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According to you they must be since that's what the scientsists and engineers use.

Graham

Obviously you and others of your wizardly kind know a whole lot more
than all the rest of us village idiots combined. So, when exactly are
you and others of your all-knowing kind going to start knocking our
socks off?

Is there any such 'must do' list of KT certified as new and improved
ideas to pick from?

Besides your continual naysayism that's well suited to a flat Earth
that has an orbiting sun, do you have any of those new and improved
applications of physics and technology that'll directly benefit
humanity by keeping us from falling off the edge, or in any way help
to salvage our badly failing environment?
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Where are the calculations ?

100 mpg Hummers are simply NOT possible.

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Obviously a relatively small fuel-cell like battery of h2o2/aluminum
is offering terrific energy density, as being currently doable as is.

The use of h2o2 along with whatever fossil fuel that's in liquid form
(including whatever biofuels), on behalf of feeding a given IC engine,
is also doable as is.

The combination of feeding h2o2 into the compact fuel-cell/battery or
stored electron providing unit, along with feeding the dual injected
little ceramic radial turbine engine that's of a one-cycle internal
combustion efficient alternative to the otherwise pathetic four-cycle
IC engine that's so mechanically and thermaldynamically inefficient,
whereas instead my hybrid alternative with its nifty one-cycle and
mostly ceramic little IC engine will create the absolute minimal CO2
and zero NOx, which is also perfectly doable as is.

The GM Volt for example could achieve a relatively good deal of
driving performance and provide that safe 4X passenger car as capable
of offering a sustained 200 empg per fossil gallon of fuel, and that's
no lie.

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will take care of
supplying all the spare/surplus capacity of clean renewable energy for
creating such nifty products of stored energy, as well as for boosting
our nations's power grid, or on behalf whatever local applications
you'd see fit to invest or waste such energy upon, and trust that this
too is no lie, as being currently doable as is.

Of course 50+ years ago perhaps not, but we could and should have been
into accomplishing all of this as of a couple of decades ago, because
it's all old physics and of the kind of proven science that's
replicated to death as of before then.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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It has a drag area of about 2.5 sq metres. Its 3 1/2 tons results in a fair bit of rolling
resistance too.

I just calculated the power required to propel it @ 70 mph (the UK national speed limit) as
52kW. That means that 100 miles (at 70 mph) would require 52 x 3600 x 100/70 kJ = 267 MJ

Regular gasoline (per Wikipedia) contains 34.8MJ/litre. A US gallon therefore contains 132 MJ.

So it would only need a 200% efficient engine *** LOL *** to propel this Hummer at 100 mpg (at
70 mph).

Brad Guth doesn't seem to understand the problems about ICE efficiency.

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Thanks for those honest enough numbers. However, add quality silicon
enhanced tires, give that brick of a Hummer a high energy density
battery/fuel-cell, feed it and that little one-cycle efficient engine
with h2o2 plus whatever fossil derived fuel (such as common diesel
road fuel) for accommodating the little ICE, and say it again, KT.

Obviously a relatively small but powerful fuel-cell like battery of
h2o2/aluminum is offering terrific energy density, as being currently
doable as is.

The use of h2o2 along with whatever fossil fuel that's in liquid form
(including most biofuels), on behalf of feeding a given one-cycle IC
engine, is also doable as is.

The combination of feeding h2o2 into the compact fuel-cell/battery or
stored electron providing unit, along with feeding the dual injected
little ceramic radial turbine engine that's offering a one-cycle
internal combustion efficient alternative to the otherwise pathetic
four-cycle IC engine that's so mechanically and thermaldynamically
inefficient, whereas instead my hybrid alternative with its nifty one-
cycle and mostly ceramic little IC engine that's rather powerful for
its size will create the absolute minimal CO2 and zero NOx, which is
also perfectly doable as is.

The GM Volt for example could achieve a relatively good deal of
driving performance and provide that safe 4X passenger car as capable
of offering a sustained 200 empg per fossil gallon of fuel, and that's
no lie.

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will take care of
supplying all the spare/surplus capacity of clean renewable energy for
creating such nifty products of stored energy, as well as for boosting
our nations's power grid, or on behalf whatever local applications
you'd see fit to invest or waste such energy upon, and trust that this
too is no lie, as being currently doable as is.

Of course 50+ years ago perhaps not, but we could and should have been
into accomplishing all of this as of a couple of decades ago, because
it's all old physics and of the kind of proven science that's
replicated to death as of before then.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Obviously you and others of your wizardly kind know a whole lot more
than all the rest of us village idiots combined. So, when exactly are
you and others of your all-knowing kind going to start knocking our
socks off?

Is there any such 'must do' list of KT certified as new and improved
ideas to pick from?

Besides your continual naysayism that's well suited to a flat Earth
that has an orbiting sun, do you have any of those new and improved
applications of physics and technology that'll directly benefit
humanity by keeping us from falling off the edge, or in any way help
to salvage our badly failing environment?

You're a know-nothing IDIOT.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Obviously a relatively small fuel-cell like battery of h2o2/aluminum
is offering terrific energy density, as being currently doable as is.

Terrific 'energy density' doesn't affect the total amount of energy required to move a Hummer
you ignorant fathead.

The energy needed to propel a Hummer will never be in the '100 mpg' region because of
fundamental laws of physics, notably those relating to drag.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Thanks for those honest enough numbers. However, add quality silicon
enhanced tires,

Bollocks. No such thing. You're just making stuff up. Besides, the rolling resistance is a small
proportion of the total drag. You could of course fit SOLID wheels but the ride would be a bit harsh
!

give that brick of a Hummer a high energy density
battery/fuel-cell, feed it and that little one-cycle efficient engine
with h2o2 plus whatever fossil derived fuel (such as common diesel
road fuel) for accommodating the little ICE, and say it again, KT.

That will not affect the energy required. So your 100 mpg claim is quite simply barking mad.

Graham
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Obviously you and others of your wizardly kind know a whole lot more
than all the rest of us village idiots combined. So, when exactly are
you and others of your all-knowing kind going to start knocking our
socks off?

Is there any such 'must do' list of KT certified as new and improved
ideas to pick from?

Besides your continual naysayism that's well suited to a flat Earth
that has an orbiting sun, do you have any of those new and improved
applications of physics and technology that'll directly benefit
humanity by keeping us from falling off the edge, or in any way help
to salvage our badly failing environment?
- Brad Guth -

Hey, Brad! You know that old saying, "Put up or shut up"? It's your
time. Don't let the door poke you in the ass on the way out ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jamie

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
BradGuth wrote:




Terrific 'energy density' doesn't affect the total amount of energy required to move a Hummer
you ignorant fathead.


Graham
Graham, you're starting to sound more American every day boy!
God bless America!
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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now you've done it, you have blasphemed about guth's god of h2o2,
any mention of the serious and severe dangers with handling,
manufacture and storage of high purity h2o2 provoke full armed
responses from that particular stupid freak.

And it still sounds line an insanely inefficient way to transport
oxygen for combustion. Not to mention dangerous.

Still, it's interesting.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will take care of
supplying all the spare/surplus capacity of clean renewable energy for
creating such nifty products of stored energy,

Hey, talk to Warren lately? How'd he doing?

John
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Expect to see more of that. The idea is to reduce power consumption. The load on
the cambelt or chain is quite significant.

You think the electricity to drive the valves will come free? You're
going to save energy by converting that mechanical energy to
electricity and then drive a motor to the valve? Michael was right.
You are 1% as smart as a fence post, though I think he was being
kind.
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Terrific 'energy density' doesn't affect the total amount of energy required to move a Hummer
you ignorant fathead.

The energy needed to propel a Hummer will never be in the '100 mpg' region because of
fundamental laws of physics, notably those relating to drag.

Graham

Your insurmountable naysayism and total lack of offering up any such
constructive alternatives or merely the slightest improvements in your
stay-the-course and status quuo or bust mindset is fully noted. Now
go back to continually raping and polluting mother Earth for all she's
worth, and then some.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Bollocks. No such thing. You're just making stuff up. Besides, the rolling resistance is a small
proportion of the total drag. You could of course fit SOLID wheels but the ride would be a bit harsh
!


That will not affect the energy required. So your 100 mpg claim is quite simply barking mad.

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Once again, Sir ExxonMobil, up yours.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey, Brad! You know that old saying, "Put up or shut up"? It's your
time. Don't let the door poke you in the ass on the way out ;-)

Warren Buffett, Willian Mook and myself will thank each and every one
of you folks, as each of you step off the edge of your badly polluted,
environment pillaged and damn spendy as hell flat Earth. BTW, say hi
to your global energy domination boss, Hitler, as you fall clean
through the floor of hell. BTW, much the same as Venus, there's no
apparent shortage of renewable energy to burn in hell (sort of
speak).
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Your insurmountable naysayism and total lack of offering up any such
constructive alternatives or merely the slightest improvements in your
stay-the-course and status quuo or bust mindset is fully noted.

You insurmountable ignorance of science is fully noted.

Uneducated (ineducable in fact) fatheads like you are worthless scum. You deserve to be rendered
for use as bio-fuel.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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And it still sounds line an insanely inefficient way to transport
oxygen for combustion. Not to mention dangerous.

Still, it's interesting.

John

Insane is a good sign, as it means there's something worth doing
unless you're a wuss.

Question; are we trying to minimize pollution as well as the use of
fossil fuels, or not?
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
[email protected] says...

You think the electricity to drive the valves will come free?

Don't be so ridiculous.

You're going to save energy by converting that mechanical energy to
electricity and then drive a motor to the valve? Michael was right.
You are 1% as smart as a fence post, though I think he was being
kind.

The fact of the matter is that electric valve operation is being very seriously
researched. It offers huge advantages in terms of variable valve timing of course.
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/application.jsp?nodeId=02Wcbf56hRCrcd

Your ignorance in this matter is NO surprise. Mind you, Americans do like doing things
in 'old fashioned' ways. Tell me all about your push-rod engines won't you ? How fast
do they rev before bounce kills them ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Once again, Sir ExxonMobil, up yours.

Your lack of answer/meaningful response is noted. Quite simply, science tells us the truth about your daft
suggestions.

Your ridiculous 'ideas' are quite frankly no more use than PIGSWILL.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey, talk to Warren lately? How'd he doing?

John

He's doing loads better off than most of us combined, and he's damn
proud of it. Must have a little something to do with all of that
renewable and clean energy he's providing us, with nearly unlimited
future potential of customers that'll soon enough pay damn near
anything his equipment can supply. Perhaps he should change his name
to Warren Enron Buffett.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Question; are we trying to minimize pollution as well as the use of
fossil fuels, or not?

Manufacturing huge quantitites of aluminium and hydrogen peroxide will pollute
the planet like nothing you've seen before.

Graham
 
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