[[email protected]]

Not in most of the country as far as I know. I'm fairly certain that
scooters are classified as motorcycles in Ontario for instance.




30km/hr is reasonable for some in city driving but most of the countries
urban roads have 50 or 60km/hr limit so you are travelling slower than
the rest of the traffic. Not necessarily a huge impediment but I'd want
to stay out of heavy traffic.




70km/hr is close to suicide on the highway. It's dangerous enough in an
automobile I shudder to imagine what that would be like on a bike.


There's a little matter of 6-8 months of snow, ice and sleet.

Robert

Well here, during rush hour, you can't get going up to 80 km hr on the
highway out of town because of traffic.
Otherwise you would have to take an alternate route, that wasn't the
main highway.
Then you would be alright. I probably wouldn't buy an electric
motorcycle.
I think cars vans trucks motorhomes and buses should be run on Brown's
Gas. It isn't practical to run them on electricity and running them on
water gives you more power and no pollution.

But really these 32 km/hr scooters are designed for in city driving.
They have advantages like free parking, and you can sneak by cars on
the right, use the bike lanes, etc.

But really it never made sense to me, to promote electric cars, when
Brown's Gas is in use, people are doing it themselves, and it costs
nothing to run your car.

Of course then, you won't be at the pumps, won't be feeding the oil
empires and won't be taxed, so there is a huge effort to prevent that
worldwide by so many wealthy groups and individuals.

But you know, America is going broke fast.
So they just don't have any choice in the matter.
Go for Brown's Gas, or go broke.
http://www.vnunet.com/financial-director/analysis/2199419/sub-prime-ridiculous

 

[[email protected]]

Batteries are expensive. The high power controllers needed aren't
necessarily cheap either but it's the batteries that are the real bottle
neck and have been for decades. I work with electric vehicles, The
real ones not the fringe ones like automobiles

Robert

Well Robert thats great you work with electric vehicles. But they are
too expensive.
At least for regular working class people. So they won't replace gas
powered vehicles any time soon.

The new reality is about to kick in, the wake up call as it were, and
people won't be able to afford expensive cars.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6209

But you know, electric scooters and bikes, well what a great deal, to
by transportation, that costs 4 cents a day to run, and costs $1800
brand new.
But maybe you need to buy batteries every second year I don't know.
I think they are about $350 for these scooters I am looking at.

 

[Dan Bloomquist]

I've stopped reading this thread. Too many retards.......

 

[[email protected]]

Well Robert thats great you work with electric vehicles. But they are
too expensive.
At least for regular working class people. So they won't replace gas
powered vehicles any time soon.

The new reality is about to kick in, the wake up call as it were, and
people won't be able to afford expensive cars.http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6209

But you know, electric scooters and bikes, well what a great deal, to
by transportation, that costs 4 cents a day to run, and costs $1800
brand new.
But maybe you need to buy batteries every second year I don't know.
I think they are about $350 for these scooters I am looking at.

I think that the whole electric car thing is just an attempt to keep
people from demanding hydrogen powered cars.
They use stall tactics like well you need hydrogen filling stations.
Well no you don't, you produce it from water.
And so they deny that technology exists even when it is use all over
the world.

And it is all to support the status quo, which is the oil economy.
What would they have to fight over in the middle east if people didn't
burn fossil fuels? The desert?

Since it is easy to see cars running on Brown's gas in youtube and
some of those videos have had 20 or 30,000 views, it is gaining
recognition daily. And people from all over the world are reproducing
the effect at home by themselves.
So some country like Russia or China will probably at one point make a
Brown's Gas powered vehicle.
And they will corner the market and sell millions and millions of
them.

The people in America will want to buy one from them as well, because
they are cheap to run.

It costs 2 cents a mile to run an electric sports car, well it is
cheaper than that to run on water.
If Korea went into production or Japan, American car manufacturers
would have to do so too or face bankruptcy.

It makes no sense to make an electric car or truck, when you can run
it on Brown's Gas just put water in that tank, and away you go.

Probably China could do it, because they can tell the IMF and World
Bank to go take a flying leap, they are not indebted to them.
China has foreign reserves of 1.2 trillion. And makes 2 trillion a
year on exports.
Has a 1.7 trillion trade surplus with the U.S.

So they can just tell the IMF to get lost. Its the IMF that holds a
gun to other country's heads and tells them they cannot make cars that
run on Brown's gas.
Its China who is making and selling those electric scooters I like for
$1800

They have embraced Brown's Gas in their industrial complex for the
last 20 years as well.
Like Korea they use it in industry. They invited Yull Brown there and
using his technology they made their own generators and they are
widely used. It helps them to be competitive when manufacturing goods.
They can sell an electric scooter for 900 and then it gets marked up
to 1800 retail, and thats still an incredible deal and really great
cheap transportation.
So they could probably make a nice car that runs on water and sells
for 10 grand.

 

[bill]

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:





Plutonium batteries last longer. A nuclear powered car only needs
refueling once in 20 years with unlimited mileage. You could plug your
house into it.

and either a top speed of 6 mph or a mass of 210 tons. decay
batteries have a LOW charge density.

 

[bill]

lol Oh yes we believe you.

The second law of thermos guarantees that you will lose energy in
ANY chemical or physical process.
Electricity production from coal is a chemical/physical process
(60% efficient at best)
Electrolysis is a chemical process. (90-95% efficient)
Compression is a physical process (80% efficient)
combustion is a chemical process (30% efficient)
For a fuel to wheels efficiency of 13%.
Burning the fuel directly in the car is 30% efficient. so
it takes more than twice the original btus of fuel to move the car
using electrolyzed hydrogen compared to direct burning.
By comparison, battery storage on the car gives 60% (generation) -

90% (storage round trip) -> 90% (motor) for a fuel to wheels of 49%,

or a little more than half the btus of fuel for an ev to move the same
mileage.

 

[Androcles]

:
:
: Androcles wrote:
:
: > Cars are 18% efficient
:
: Only in

What?

 

[Androcles]

:
:
: Androcles wrote:
:
: > : Androcles wrote:
: > : > : [email protected] wrote:
: > : > :
: > : > : >

: > : > :
: > : > : Why waste energy making Brown's gas ?
: > : > :
: > : > : Graham
: > : >
: > : > Why waste energy cracking petroleum from crude?
: > : > Why waste energy writing to a newsgroup when you can
: > : > go back to sleep and enjoy your stupid ignorance?
: > :
: > : Does your head rattle ?
: > :
: > : It must be that pea inside it.
: >
: > Yours cannot rattle, it is fuckin' empty, you wanker.
: > Answer the question, dumbfuck!
: > Why waste energy cracking petroleum from crude?
:
: It's not *wasted*.

Oh yes it is.
Oh no it isn't.
Oh yes it is.
Oh no it isn't.
Oh yes it is.
Oh no it isn't.
Oh yes it is.
FUCKHEAD!

It's time I got rid of you, Graham Cracker.
*plonk*

 

[[email protected]]

The second law of thermos guarantees that you will lose energy in
ANY chemical or physical process.
Electricity production from coal is a chemical/physical process
(60% efficient at best)
Electrolysis is a chemical process. (90-95% efficient)
Compression is a physical process (80% efficient)
combustion is a chemical process (30% efficient)
For a fuel to wheels efficiency of 13%.
Burning the fuel directly in the car is 30% efficient. so
it takes more than twice the original btus of fuel to move the car
using electrolyzed hydrogen compared to direct burning.
By comparison, battery storage on the car gives 60% (generation) -
or a little more than half the btus of fuel for an ev to move the same
mileage.

And bumble bees cannot fly.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Fellow SED'ers, haven't we played this village idiot about as far as
can be taken? Time to shun.

I wonder how many MPT you could get (Miles Per Troll), if you could
extract all energy from your average 300 pound idiot? Or is the level
so low that it would be measured as TPM? After all, they spend so much
time on line proving their ignorance, they HAVE to be covered in layers
of body oil and dirt.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

I think that the whole electric car thing is just an attempt to keep
people from demanding hydrogen powered cars.

That merely shoes how ignorant / uneducated / gullible / stupid / blinkered you are.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

And bumble bees cannot fly.

No-one ever said that. It's a myth.

Graham

 

[John Fields]

Efficiency of electrolysis you moron.

 

[John Fields]

Since when did YOU talk for anyone else never mind "the rest of us" ?

---
I never speak for anyone else except when they've already made their
feelings known. For example, as in: "I know I speak for that
asshole, Graham Stevenson, when I state that Americans are stupid."

 

[John Fields]

It's TRUE. American cars are notoriously inefficient.

 

[John Fields]

No-one ever said that. It's a myth.

---
Poor uninformed stupid ass, from:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1312389

"In 1934, August Magnan and André Sainte-Lague (1) concluded from a
simple mathematical analysis that the flight of bees was
“impossible.”"

 

[John Larkin]

And bumble bees cannot fly.

They sure can't do math.

John

 

[John Fields]

They sure can't do math.

 

[bill]

Efficiency of electrolysis you moron.

Graham

actually graham, the electrolysis step is *very* efficient.
approximately 95%. however, that's from electricity to uncompressed
untransported hydrogen. You've been around here long enough to know
that the real problem is in the rest of the system, the conversion of
fuel to electricity (60% at best) the compression of the hydrogen
(70-80%) and then.... what have you got? you've got a difficult to
handle, highly dangerous and leak prone fuel, which must then be used
in a 25-30% efficient vehicle in order to accomplish anything. the
reason for the EV vehicles is that they go almost directly from grid
to wheels, with no additional losses to speak of, carnot has already
been paid.

 

[Rich Grise]

And without a biological shield that kills the nuclear car idea stone
dead, you'll also be able to save on lighting bills since you'll be
glowing in the dark.

I see you're another one of those who received his science education
primarily from "B" sci-fi movies. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich