[John Fields]

You miss a crucial point, though: They didn't say bumblebee flight was
impossible, they said that their *model* of bumblebee flight said it was
impossible. All this meant was that contemporary aerodynamic theory was
inadequate to explain it, and scientists understood that. Faced with
overwhelming evidence that bumblebees can, in fact, fly, no scientist
seriously claimed that they cannot, only that scientists were at a loss
to explain it. See:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040911/mathtrek.asp

The most relevant paragraph in the piece is:

"The persistence of the bumblebee myth also highlights a
misunderstanding about science, models, and mathematics. The real issue
isn't that scientists can be wrong. The real issue is that there's a
crucial difference between a 'thing' and a mathematical model of the
'thing.'"

---
Yes, of course.

Since bumblebees _do_ fly, it's obviously impossible for them not
to, and the reference to their not being able to was sarcasm.

My quarrel was with Graham and his claim that it was a myth, when
clearly what was stated by Magnan was that if... then bees couldn't
fly, a reference which Graham either chose not to include or was
oblivious of. I vote for the latter.

 

[Eeyore]

---
Yes, of course.

Since bumblebees _do_ fly, it's obviously impossible for them not
to, and the reference to their not being able to was sarcasm.

My quarrel was with Graham and his claim that it was a myth, when
clearly what was stated by Magnan was that if... then bees couldn't
fly, a reference which Graham either chose not to include or was
oblivious of. I vote for the latter.

It's an 'urban myth' that it was said by scientists who meant it (rather than it
being a joke).

Graham

 

[John Fields]

You can look them up for yourself, you lazy shit. They're no great secret.

 

[John Fields]

Your EPA and NHTSA have all the data you could want regarding the matter.

 

[John Fields]

---
Poor uninformed stupid ass, from:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1312389

"In 1934, August Magnan and André Sainte-Lague (1) concluded from a
simple mathematical analysis that the flight of bees was
“impossible.”"

Magnan is reported to have written that he and a Mr. Saint-Lague had applied the
equations of air resistance to insects and found that their flight was
impossible, but that "One shouldn't be surprised that the results of the
calculations don't square with reality".[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee#Flight

 

[Martin Griffith]

Your EPA and NHTSA have all the data you could want regarding the matter.

Graham

cum on, give us a url or two


Martin

 

[[email protected]]

What the hell is this? A tank that makes bubbles? Let's see the
car that "runs on water".

 

[[email protected]]

Expect to get treatment for your paranoid schizophrenia...

Good Luck!
Rich

I know you are but what am I?
You guys are so totally busted right now.

 

[[email protected]]

cum on, give us a url or two


Martin

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[Eeyore]

---
Sure, but you seem to bashing American cars just because they're
American, not because they're any less efficient than other cars
with equal weight/displacement ratios. You wouldn't just happen to
have that data so you can back up your stupid claim, would you?

But they ARE (on average) less efficient than European or Japanese cars. I
recognise that there are a few American cars that could compete on an equal
footing efficiency wise with any Euro or Jap car but most Americans seem to
prefer to buy the inefficient ones.

How can you possibly suggest otherwise ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Eeyore wrote:
:

And bumble bees cannot fly.

No-one ever said that. It's a myth.

---
Poor uninformed stupid ass, from:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1312389

"In 1934, August Magnan and André Sainte-Lague (1) concluded from a
simple mathematical analysis that the flight of bees was
“impossible.”"

Magnan is reported to have written that he and a Mr. Saint-Lague had applied the
equations of air resistance to insects and found that their flight was
impossible, but that "One shouldn't be surprised that the results of the
calculations don't square with reality".[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee#Flight

It's a myth that it was meant literally, as the idiots like to claim when trying to
bash science.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

cum on, give us a url or two

Which American car would you like me to choose ? A Hummer makes it too easy.

Actually, I did this a week or two ago with Jeep Cherokees. The UK model gets a
fuel efficient 2.8 litre diesel option that AFAIK isn't even available in the
USA.

Check out the Jeep sites in the UK and USA. You can see for yourself.


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

Let me explain

The problem is that it doesn't make ENOUGH bubbles to run an engine ! It's not
difficult to work this out from engine capacity and rpm.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

You guys are so totally busted right now.

Bwahahahaahahahaaaa !

You just gave me the idea. Let's send this myth to Mythbusters !

Graham

 

[[email protected]]

I know you are but what am I?
You guys are so totally busted right now.

 

[[email protected]]

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[[email protected]]

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time.

 

[Martin Griffith]

Which American car would you like me to choose ? A Hummer makes it too easy.

Actually, I did this a week or two ago with Jeep Cherokees. The UK model gets a
fuel efficient 2.8 litre diesel option that AFAIK isn't even available in the
USA.

Check out the Jeep sites in the UK and USA. You can see for yourself.


Graham

Hey take a bromide pill, you spend too much time here, can't be that
good for the Thompson's blood pressure, or yours.

A car is a dumb bling laden thing, it only works for about 20 weeks,
given a lifespan of about 150Kmile at say 45mph.

Not exactly premium technology is it?



Martin

 

[John Fields]

It's an 'urban myth' that it was said by scientists who meant it (rather than it
being a joke).

 

[bill]

cum on, give us a url or two

Martin

the word is "come" plonk, you've surfed too much porn.