[[email protected]]

This guy does pretty controlled experiments and is getting good
results.

As far as the safety concerns go, well people should be careful with
any gas, and some protection against backfire with your installation
is advisable of course. and the way that he promotes is to use a
bubbler. That is like hooka. The same principle as a hooka, where the
gas comes in to a bottle of water, and there is no continuous flow
back to the cell. So that no backfire will chase back through your
line into the cell enclosure and explode it. (Or implode it whatever
the case may be)
There are all sorts of ways to do this, and a manufacturer would have
check valves and all sorts of things maybe even a small pressurized
canister, with a pressure release valve, and the gas would be fed into
the intake in a controlled fashion by a controller.
But having a small pressurized tank of this gas is also an unnecessary
danger, so producing it on demand, is much better.
And the least amount of gas you store or carry the better.
So if you can get almost instant production of gas, then what happens
is as you increase the voltage/amperage when you press down the
accelerator, the flow increases. But if your fan belt broke, your car
wouldn't run in this instance.
Your gas flow would be just what comes off the charge on the battery.
Ideally what you want, is to be able to produce lots of gas, with
little current, and then use some electronics to manage the gas
delivery and production on demand, so that all you need is to have it
connected to your car battery and have the electronics connected to
the gas pedal assembly using some sort of solenoid arrangement.

 

[Eeyore]

Brown's Peroxide Gas would make a good enough go-between to otherwise
having my full blown liquid h2o2/c12h26 one-cycle little engine for
those hybrid Hummers.

C12H26 ?

Bwahahahaahahahaahahaa

You mean diesel fuel ?


Graham

 

[BradGuth]

Electricity from wind curently costs about TWICE the average price of
conventionally generated grid electricity largely on account of the equipment
cost. Solar costs far more still.

There is no likelihood that either will ever be cheap and certainly not free.

A composite of solar and wind derived energy is currently off-the-
shelf worth 40 kw/m2 from a given tower's footprint/foundation that we
and all other forms of worthy life on Earth can affordably and safely
live with. That's only 100 fold better off than anything nuclear, not
to mention the perfectly clean and renewable part, or the lack of
otherwise imposing hardly any negative long-term environmental impact,
much less future risk to human or other DNA of terrestrial life as we
know it.

H2O2 plus a little of fossil or biofuel whatever is the next best
thing to raw sex, and it's even a whole lot cleaner and safer than
you'd think. Anything from using a modified but otherwise crappy 2
cycle piston engine to that of a superior one cycle radial or rotary
whatever ICE is perfectly doable on behalf of accomplishing the
sustained 200+ empg GM Volt, or even the 100 empg hybrid Hummer.

And but once again, what exactly is the likes of Eeyore/Graham's
insurmountable hatred of humanity and total disdain against and/or
utter disregard of our badly failing environment all about?

Is your mainstream status quo sequence of lies upon lies and/or the
systematic exclusion of replicated science as evidence for what's
otherwise doable so terribly wrong, according to that Old Testament
good book of all that's stay the course Yiddish or bust? (apparently
so)
- Brad Guth -

 

[Maximust]

This guy does pretty controlled experiments and is getting good
results.

Ure, I can make experiments and show them on youtube too!

 

[[email protected]]

This guy does pretty controlled experiments and is getting good
results.

With this guy above here he tried making a small torch with a blunt
syringe on the end of a tube, others have used a valve stem used for
filling basketballs, but this guy didn't have an inline shut off
valve, on his arrangement, for some strnge reason he never thought of
that, and so he couldn't figure out how to turn it off, so he merely
removed the tip? Which I thought was weird but inventors are sometimes
weird, so it chased back and backfired into his bubbler.
Now he was saying that he was glad he had a bubbler, because he was
worried that his cell might explode, and well you have to realize that
your cell, is a bubbler.
The water in it, is not explosive, just the gas above the level of the
water, to the top of your cell container.
So there is some danger yes, but people are overplaying that danger
dramatically, to discourage people doing this.
And you will see that in youtube people exploding bottles and making
bottle rockets and well try that at home with gasoline, or any of
this, using gasoline on your desk, and you will blow yourself up to be
sure.
This is much much safer than gasoline. But of course you don't want to
be really stupid and shove the hose under pressure into your eye, or
up your butt, etc. And I am sure I needed to tell people that.

 

[Eeyore]

A composite of solar and wind derived energy is currently off-the-
shelf worth 40 kw/m2 from a given tower's footprint/foundation

Bollocks.

Your stupid fantasies impress no-one.

Graham

 

[[email protected]]

With this guy above here he tried making a small torch with a blunt
syringe on the end of a tube, others have used a valve stem used for
filling basketballs, but this guy didn't have an inline shut off
valve, on his arrangement, for some strnge reason he never thought of
that, and so he couldn't figure out how to turn it off, so he merely
removed the tip? Which I thought was weird but inventors are sometimes
weird, so it chased back and backfired into his bubbler.
Now he was saying that he was glad he had a bubbler, because he was
worried that his cell might explode, and well you have to realize that
your cell, is a bubbler.
The water in it, is not explosive, just the gas above the level of the
water, to the top of your cell container.
So there is some danger yes, but people are overplaying that danger
dramatically, to discourage people doing this.
And you will see that in youtube people exploding bottles and making
bottle rockets and well try that at home with gasoline, or any of
this, using gasoline on your desk, and you will blow yourself up to be
sure.
This is much much safer than gasoline. But of course you don't want to
be really stupid and shove the hose under pressure into your eye, or
up your butt, etc. And I am sure I needed to tell people that.

And as far as adding anything to the water, like baking soda, don't
add anything to the water.
Use the KISS method (Keep it simple stupid. )
You want to be able to use pond water, if you are somewhere in the
country, tap water, or any source of water.
You might want to filter the water, to keep your cell clean, and use a
plastic tank, for your water fill up.
People are actually using this same technology to kill germs and
bacteria in water, like waste water, raw sewage, because oxygen kills
bacteria and oxygen is released in the cell.

 

[BradGuth]

Bollocks.

Your stupid fantasies impress no-one.

Obviously these topic/author stalking kinds of silly word games is yet
another tactical faith-based part of what this anti-think-tank of
Eeyore's all-knowing usenet of superior naysayism and global energy
domination fiasco is all about.

A composite of solar and wind derived energy per given tower has in
fact been technically doable for the past couple of decades, and
there's quite a serious cache of that raw energy available for the
taking. Naysayers (especially of those pesky Yid naysayers) need not
utilize or otherwise benefit from this clean and renewable energy, as
that'll leave it all for the rest of us to affordably use.

Of what I'd honestly meant to convey previously is that of any four
stroke ICE that's working with at best having to extract it's torque
from roughly 50% worth of the given power stroke is simply not by
design capable of offering the sort of improved thermal dynamics, or
the best kinetic alternative of extracting the most given thermal
energy in the form of getting the most torque, as to what a 100%
usable power stroke from a one cycle ICE can deliver. Good Christ
almighty on another stick, whereas even a conventional two cycle
piston ICE as easily modified for using h2o2 + fossil whatever would
offer a terrific thermal dynamic and kinetic improvement over the
mostly N2 air breathing 4 cycle ICE that literally sucks and blows as
a regular part of its inefficient function.

Thereby once again the grand all-knowing expertise and insurmountable
naysayism of Eeyore and the likes of lord/wizard Robert Adsett's out
of context interpretation and/or intentional exclusion of whatever
evidence rocks their ExxonMobil good ship LOLLIPOP, is noted.

Once again, I'll try making this perfectly clear that I had been
speaking purely on behalf of the power stroke factor as being 8 fold
better off than any typical 4 cycle alternative, and not of the
overall thermal dynamic worth of h2o2 + fossil whatever. But then of
course yourself and others of your kind knew that, but instead decided
to further snooker those of us you feel are not worthy of life, and
that's certainly very Hitler or perhaps Zion of yourself, isn't it.

For your information, the four passenger VW Lupo if seriously redone
at using the best of proven technology would have provided that kind
of everyday 100 empg as is (especially from low sulphur heating oil),
and without ever being the least bit hybrid or otherwise running on
any of my clean and renewable energy produced h2o2. Imagine what a
little 2 cycle piston ICE that's burning h2o2 + fossil whatever could
accomplish.

Obviously that Lupo is no Hummer, in fact a Hummer could pack such a
Lupo instead of a spare tire, and it wouldn't hardly know the
difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo
Via composites and a good use of aluminum and titanium, along with as
much titanium and ceramics as possible applied into that little
atmospheric N2 breathing engine that's burning low sulphur heating oil
instead of common road diesel, along with those energy efficient
silicon enhanced tires is exactly where it could easily accomplish 100
empg at a sustained 60+ mph w/o being the least bit hybrid. Of course
the likes of our all-knowing Eeyore wizards will be certain to oppose
even this much with all the incest cultivated bigotry and hatred their
little sooty black and environmentally polluting heart can muster,
just like most any good little pro ExxonMobil Yid (aka pretend
atheist) would do.
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

The Electric Car
http://groups.google.com/group/sci...._frm/thread/2bfee708dee351b9/9f1a6ac7e2904ecc

It has a drag area of about 2.5 sq metres. Its 3 1/2 tons results in a fair bit of rolling
resistance too.

I just calculated the power required to propel it @70 mph (the UK national speed limit) as
52kW. That means that 100 miles (at 70 mph) would require 52 x 3600 x 100/70 kJ = 267 MJ

Regular gasoline (per Wikipedia) contains 34.8MJ/litre. A US gallon therefore contains 132 MJ.

So it would only need a 200% efficient engine *** LOL *** to propel this Hummer at 100 mpg (at
70 mph).

Brad Guth doesn't seem to understand the problems about ICE efficiency.

Thanks for those honest enough numbers, even though a sustained 70 mph
wasn't exactly within my agenda. However, add those quality silicon
enhanced tires, give that nasty aerobraking brick of a Hummer a high
energy density battery/fuel-cell, feed that fuel-cell h2o2 and give
that little one-cycle efficient engine its fluids of h2o2 plus
whatever fossil derived fuel (such as common diesel road fuel or low
sulphur heating oil) for accommodating our little but powerful ICE,
and say it again Eeyore, KT or whomever.

Obviously a relatively small but powerful fuel-cell like battery of
h2o2/aluminum is offering terrific energy density, as being currently
doable as is, that'll greatly minimize the otherwise significant fuel
demand of a conventional four cycle IC engine that's always at least
10 fold bigger than it needs to be, as well as trying like hell to run
on mostly N2.

The use of h2o2 along with whatever fossil fuel that's in liquid form
(including most biofuels), on behalf of feeding such into a given two-
cycle or better one-cycle IC engine that's getting the far greater
clean energy benefit of h2o2, is doable as is.

The far better energy worthy combination of feeding h2o2 into the
compact fuel-cell/battery or stored electron providing unit, along
with feeding the dual injected little ceramic radial turbine engine
that's offering a one-cycle internal combustion efficient alternative
to the otherwise pathetic four-cycle IC engine that's so mechanically
and thermal dynamically inefficient (by some standards as pathetic as
12.5% efficient), whereas instead my hybrid alternative with its nifty
one-cycle and mostly ceramic little IC engine that's rather powerful
for its size will in fact create the absolute minimal CO2 and zero
NOx, with more than sufficient on-demand energy to spare, of which
this is also perfectly doable as is.

The GM Volt for example could achieve a relatively good deal of
driving performance and provide that safe 4X passenger car as capable
of offering a sustained city driving or semi-local commute worthy of
200 empg per fossil gallon of damn near whatever fuel, and that's no
lie.

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will gladly take
care of supplying all the spare/surplus capacity of clean renewable
energy for process of creating such nifty products of stored energy,
as well as for boosting our nations's outdated and badly overloaded
power grid, or on behalf whatever direct local applications you'd see
fit to invest or waste such energy upon, and trust that this too is no
lie, as being currently doable as is.

Of course as of 50+ years ago perhaps not, but we could and should
have been deep into the R&D and consumer applications of accomplishing
all of this as of a couple of decades ago, because it's all old
physics and of the kind of proven science (much of which derived from
smart Yids) that's replicated to death as of before then.
- Brad Guth -

 

[Eric Gisin]

What exactly is your insurmountable hatred of humanity and total
disdain against or utter disregard of our badly failing environment
all about?

Not just a troll, but an excellent example of paranoid schizophrenia.

 

[[email protected]]

And as far as adding anything to the water, like baking soda, don't

add anything to the water.
Use the KISS method (Keep it simple stupid. )
You want to be able to use pond water, if you are somewhere in the
country, tap water, or any source of water.
You might want to filter the water, to keep your cell clean, and use a
plastic tank, for your water fill up.
People are actually using this same technology to kill germs and
bacteria in water, like waste water, raw sewage, because oxygen kills
bacteria and oxygen is released in the cell.

One other thing, if you are worried about rust in your cylinders, you
can use a motor additive which improves performance of your car's
engine and keeps things well lubricated.
I am not going to promote any one product, but I did use Slick 50 in
one vehicle and thought it was amazing. Its a Teflon product. But then
Quaker State the maker of that product has been sued for making false
claims related to that product, and many people say it does more
damage than good by plugging up the engine ports and restricting the
flow of oil.
So you are on your own there in designing a way to offset any possible
rust effects to your cylinders.
Small aluminum block engines might be a good thing if you are just
testing your device, you might want to test it on a small cheap used
car like a Fiat or
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/04/036631.html

 

[BradGuth]

Not just a troll, but an excellent example of paranoid schizophrenia.

If that's what you folks call the regular laws of physics and the best
available science that's replicated to death by others (like
Einstein), as being paranoid schizophrenia, then so be it.
- Brad Guth -

 

[[email protected]]

One other thing, if you are worried about rust in your cylinders, you
can use a motor additive which improves performance of your car's
engine and keeps things well lubricated.
I am not going to promote any one product, but I did use Slick 50 in
one vehicle and thought it was amazing. Its a Teflon product. But then
Quaker State the maker of that product has been sued for making false
claims related to that product, and many people say it does more
damage than good by plugging up the engine ports and restricting the
flow of oil.
So you are on your own there in designing a way to offset any possible
rust effects to your cylinders.
Small aluminum block engines might be a good thing if you are just
testing your device, you might want to test it on a small cheap used
car like a Fiat orhttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/04/036631.html

You know if you were doing this as a hobby, at least if I was, I would
probably be tempted to get a VW chasis, and a body kit, to make the
thing look like a futuristic type sports car when it is done, make
sure it had an aluminum block engine, a rebuilt with cylinder sleeves
that are high performance and rust resistant.
http://www.tpr.co.jp/tp_e/products/cylinderliners/cylinderliners.html

A small aluminum block 4 cylinder is going to get great mileage to
start with, and when you add your kit, that is going to double your
mileage, and so then you end up with a sporty looking car, that is
high performance, (HHO is a higher octane fuel) and you might get 80
or 100 mpg.
And then if you are showing investors, or even just other hobbyists,
they can see the benefits of the system.
And by making it sporty it looks modern.

 

[[email protected]]

You know if you were doing this as a hobby, at least if I was, I would
probably be tempted to get a VW chasis, and a body kit, to make the
thing look like a futuristic type sports car when it is done, make
sure it had an aluminum block engine, a rebuilt with cylinder sleeves
that are high performance and rust resistant.http://www.tpr.co.jp/tp_e/products/cylinderliners/cylinderliners.html

A small aluminum block 4 cylinder is going to get great mileage to
start with, and when you add your kit, that is going to double your
mileage, and so then you end up with a sporty looking car, that is
high performance, (HHO is a higher octane fuel) and you might get 80
or 100 mpg.
And then if you are showing investors, or even just other hobbyists,
they can see the benefits of the system.
And by making it sporty it looks modern.

And you could do it all, make a high performance sports car, with
leather interior, convertible, that gets 80 to 100 mpg for under 10
grand. (So its an easy sell to the wife.) Cheaper than a decent boat!
And when its finished, if you do a nice job of it, it will be worth
something.

 

[BradGuth]

One other thing, if you are worried about rust in your cylinders, you
can use a motor additive which improves performance of your car's
engine and keeps things well lubricated.
I am not going to promote any one product, but I did use Slick 50 in
one vehicle and thought it was amazing. Its a Teflon product. But then
Quaker State the maker of that product has been sued for making false
claims related to that product, and many people say it does more
damage than good by plugging up the engine ports and restricting the
flow of oil.
So you are on your own there in designing a way to offset any possible
rust effects to your cylinders.
Small aluminum block engines might be a good thing if you are just
testing your device, you might want to test it on a small cheap used
car like a Fiat orhttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/04/036631.html

What rust, if the engine hot section was mostly ceramic and the other
parts of a good titanium alloy. Ain't got rust.

A little two-cycle or best that of a one-cycle rotary or radial energy
extracting engine that runs rather efficient and squeaky clean (zero
NOx) on a computer controlled dual injection of h2o2 plus whatever
fossil/biofuel or from using most any other other fluid or gas form of
crap you'd like to get rid of; where's the rust?

Do any of these naysay folks have any honest idea as to how freaking
hot h2o2 + a little of whatever else is going to provide? (apparently
not)
- Brad Guth -

 

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What rust, if the engine hot section was mostly ceramic and the other
parts of a good titanium alloy. Ain't got rust.

A little two-cycle or best that of a one-cycle rotary or radial energy
extracting engine that runs rather efficient and squeaky clean (zero
NOx) on a computer controlled dual injection of h2o2 plus whatever
fossil/biofuel or from using most any other other fluid or gas form of
crap you'd like to get rid of; where's the rust?

Do any of these naysay folks have any honest idea as to how freaking
hot h2o2 + a little of whatever else is going to provide? (apparently
not)
- Brad Guth -

Well I guess you could go for a rotary engine as well. Or anything you
wanted if you design it yourself.
The nice thing is, that the fuel system, is the simplest part. When a
big car company like GM sets out to make a concept car, they spend
millions. With HHO or whatever water system you can invent, it costs
little to make the thing.
So then you just put it in a nice car.

These guys here send a car builder to your house, and help you build a
car, in less than 7 days,
http://www.lonestarclassics.com/index.cfm

Here is a concept car, that someone is building from scratch as a
hobby.
http://www.baileyspeed.com/
http://www.kitcarsforum.com/b1-concept-kit-project-t8766.0.html

 

[John Larkin]

A composite of solar and wind derived energy is currently off-the-
shelf worth 40 kw/m2 from a given tower's footprint/foundation that we
and all other forms of worthy life on Earth can affordably and safely
live with. That's only 100 fold better off than anything nuclear,

Who cares about footprints and foundations? Making the windmill towers
out of skinny carbon-fiber-kevlar composites could reduce their
cross-sectional area by a factor of 10. So what? Is kilowatts per
square foot of tower cross-section some sort of figure of merit?

John

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Both BP and Shell IIRC are working on various schemes for biomass energy.

Just liposuct all of the fatasses and run everything on the resulting
biodeisel. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

C12H26 ?

Bwahahahaahahahaahahaa

You mean diesel fuel ?

Kerosene. And Peroxide. Isn't that what they ran the V-2 on?

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Eeyore]

Just liposuct all of the fatasses and run everything on the resulting
biodeisel. ;-)

A US poultry processor is planning to run its trucks on biodiesel made from
chicken fat.

BP also has a large solar offshoot and Shell is getting into bioethanol and
biobutanol production. So much for oil companies not being 'green' at all.

Graham