[John Larkin]

The donkey thinks that everyone in America drives Jeeps, Hummers and
SUVs. What an ignorant ass. I see one or two jeeps a week, and a
couple Hummers a year. The SUVs I do see are full of kids.

But Brits don't have kids.

What does
the donkey want? Them to use four small cares for one trip? I see more
pickup tucks than SUVs, and most of those are work trucks, along with
full size vans.

But Brits don't work.

There are far more tiny IMPORTED cars on our roads.

But Brits barely have roads.

John

 

[John Larkin]

Any methodology for electrolysis with reasonable efficiency is good
enough when the source of electricity is cheap or free, such as solar,
wind, or water.

Hydro power is cheap, but not free, and supplies are essentially
fixed. Solar marginally delivers enough energy over its lifetime to
recover the energy it took to make the gear; without subsidies, solar
couldn't compete. Wind sometimes pays off, sometimes doesn't; the
machinery is expensive, power density is mediocre, it needs a lot of
maintanance, and the wind is erratic. Look at a wind farm; typically
half the turbines are idle for maintanance or lack of wind.

None of these sources is free, much less cheap enough to waste a
sizable fraction of their output on electrolyzing hydrogen.

Even if one had a source of free electricity, you'd be crazy to waste
it; you'd sell it at market rates.

John

 

[BradGuth]

While you are just a bottom feeding troll.

What exactly is your insurmountable hatred of humanity and total
disdain against or utter disregard of our badly failing environment
all about?
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

THEIR puppet ?

I suggest you go and learn some real history.



You wouldn't know the truth if it came up to you and smacked you round the face.
Your mental instability results in your inability to tell fact from fiction.

And once again, what exactly is Graham's insurmountable hatred of
humanity and total disdain against or utter disregard of our badly
failing environment all about?

Is a lie and/or the exclusion of replicated evidence so terribly wrong
according to your Old Testament good book, of all that's Yiddish or
bust?
- Brad Guth -

 

[Maximust]

Some of this information might be helpful.
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/electro/electro6.html

MORON

 

[Maximust]

Galileo too was convicted !

Galileo had math on his side. The kooks never have math.

 

[BradGuth]

Hydro power is cheap, but not free, and supplies are essentially
fixed. Solar marginally delivers enough energy over its lifetime to
recover the energy it took to make the gear; without subsidies, solar
couldn't compete. Wind sometimes pays off, sometimes doesn't; the
machinery is expensive, power density is mediocre, it needs a lot of
maintanance, and the wind is erratic. Look at a wind farm; typically
half the turbines are idle for maintanance or lack of wind.

None of these sources is free, much less cheap enough to waste a
sizable fraction of their output on electrolyzing hydrogen.

Even if one had a source of free electricity, you'd be crazy to waste
it; you'd sell it at market rates.

Are all the DNAs of the John Larkin's as incest mutated into having
become as snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return?

How many spare/surplus teraWatts of affordably clean and renewable
energy would you like? (obviously more than our pathetic national grid
system can safely manage without melting down)

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will gladly
provide those spare/surplus teraWatts of clean energy. Just inform
our DOE as to how much, where and when, as then we'll take it from
there, and deliver those clean and renewable tersWatts.
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

On Sep 27, 9:26 pm, John Larkin

What did s.e.d. do to deserve this pestilence of free-energy wingnuts?

What "free-energy" are you talking about?

$.01/kwhr is not free, although even $1/kwhr is actually dirt cheap
energy if it's squeaky clean and fully renewable, without an negative
impact upon our frail environment of today or the future, especially
if it's energy that's in surplus of whatever our pathetic national
grid(s) can safely manage as is.

How much is the toxic clean up and subsequent salvation of our badly
failing environment worth these rather global warming and otherwise
bloody and damn spendy energy war days?
- Brad Guth -

 

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Are all the DNAs of the John Larkin's as incest mutated into having
become as snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return?

How many spare/surplus teraWatts of affordably clean and renewable
energy would you like? (obviously more than our pathetic national grid
system can safely manage without melting down)

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will gladly
provide those spare/surplus teraWatts of clean energy. Just inform
our DOE as to how much, where and when, as then we'll take it from
there, and deliver those clean and renewable tersWatts.
- Brad Guth -

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/28/bush.climate/?iref=mpstoryview
You know I live by the sea, a couple blocks away, and you would think
that the melting ice might cause me some alarm too, but I am at 30
feet above sea level, so I'm not worried because it will be weeks
before the water gets that high.

 

[Eeyore]

Any methodology for electrolysis with reasonable efficiency is good
enough when the source of electricity is cheap or free, such as solar,
wind, or water.

Electricity from wind curently costs about TWICE the average price of
conventionally generated grid electricity largely on account of the equipment
cost. Solar costs far more still.

There is no likelihood that either will ever be cheap and certainly not free.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

There are very detailed proposals using hybrid
approaches consisting of electrical, biomass, and chemical processing
achieving efficiencies in the 8-10% range that are more than workable.
The only missing component is commitment, and that is influenced by the
fossil fuels industry and their political lackeys, as per usual.

Both BP and Shell IIRC are working on various schemes for biomass energy.

Graham

 

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/28/bush.climate/?iref=mpstoryview
You know I live by the sea, a couple blocks away, and you would think
that the melting ice might cause me some alarm too, but I am at 30
feet above sea level, so I'm not worried because it will be weeks
before the water gets that high.

Unless of course there was a tsunami, but we have some protection here
being on an inland straight.
But even if it did get up that high to 35 feet lets say, whats the
worst that can happen?
Giant squid.

 

[Eeyore]

But Brits don't have kids.


But Brits don't work.


But Brits barely have roads.

Larkin the proud engineer has turned into a damn MORON.

Graham

 

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/28/bush.climate/?iref=mpstoryview

But if you guys want to compromise a bit I suppose we could consider
doing that.
My suggestion is for all garden shed producers of Brown's Gas to stick
with supplementing fossil fuels to improve gas mileage.
Its safer that way for starters. Until you have things sorted out
well.
Even if your system can run a car completely, there may be issues of
controlling the gas flow and turning off the gas flow, and also
producing just the right amount of gas on demand when you press down
the accelerator.
So you can do what most do, and this is to just put an intake hose,
into the plastic housing on the intake manifold side of the air
filter. Into the plastic housing of the air intake where the air
filter is.
So you don't really need to modify the engine or do anything like
that, you just create your unit and install it.
And since it is just a way to improve gas mileage, the powers that be
are less likely to bother you or your company.

And for them, well they are faced with this new reality, and it has
become painfully obvious, that the people are not going to be stalled
by their tactics for making hydrogen power cell vehicles or expensive
electric hybrid vehicles.
So they are faced with a problem of diminishing tax on fossil fuels.
And that is easily remedied by simply charging a road tax on your
normal licensing. If you want a user pay system, then you have to
charge road miles, according to the odometer of the car, on an honor
system, and when the vehicle is sold, the miles have to be up to date.
If you don't sell your car, but it goes to the wreckers, well thats an
issue you can deal with or not deal with and it is probably not worth
dealing with.
You can make the car owner pre-buy miles, when they buy a new car but
car manufacturers will scream bloody murder because that will deter
new car sales.
So there is no excuse for not embracing the new technology except for
the huge oil lobby.
And well, there are other uses for petroleum products such as plastic
etc and it is actually worth more, when it is used for other things
than just burning it.
But you know they will not cooperate period.
They are in it for the money and they have fought all attempts to
change the oil economy.
So we have to just ignore them and work around them, if we want to get
anywhere.
And the oil economy is not helping America right now. America is
sinking in debt.
Car manufacturers will be facing a drastic reduction in sales over the
next 12 months as well.
Their stocks will suffer.
Unless they jump on the bandwagon.

 

[[email protected]]

Galileo had math on his side. The kooks never have math.

This guy does pretty controlled experiments and is getting good
results.

 

[[email protected]]

Here is something else you can try and that is you know that the
Casimir effect causes a potential between two plates, well that
happens when the atoms in the plates give off waves that interfere
with each other in between them causing a low pressure area which
attracts the plates together.
And that will happen without current going through the plates simply
because the waves given off by the atoms interfere and cancel out.
Now if you take one plate and interfere on the H frequency, and take
the second plate and interfere on the O frequency, you will attract
the H to one plate and the O to the other and that may help to assist
in breaking the bond.
So then what you would want to do to accomplish that is either have
two different alloys, or modulate the frequency differently for each
plate, matching the H frequency with one and the O frequency with the
other.
In this way the waves between the H atoms and the plate will cancel
out leaving a low pressure area which will attract the H and the same
will happen with the O.

Here is the stepped up cell...

It will be interesting to see the improvements in this technology over
the next few months. Everyone is moving ahead very quickly and
improvements are being made daily.

I would look at modulating the frequency of the plates, to see if you
can improve production.
For 20 bucks I would waste that money to see if RF boosts production.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84685

 

[John Larkin]

Are all the DNAs of the John Larkin's as incest mutated into having
become as snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return?

Is all your syntax always that fractured?

How many spare/surplus teraWatts of affordably clean and renewable
energy would you like? (obviously more than our pathetic national grid
system can safely manage without melting down)

If you can supply a terawatt of cheap, clean energy you can sell it
for at least 5 cents per kwh. You'll gross 50 million dollars per
hour. So how come you aren't rich yet?

The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will gladly
provide those spare/surplus teraWatts of clean energy. Just inform
our DOE as to how much, where and when, as then we'll take it from
there, and deliver those clean and renewable tersWatts.

Say Hi to ol' Warren for me, next time you do lunch.

John

 

[BradGuth]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/28/bush.climate/?iref=mpstoryview
You know I live by the sea, a couple blocks away, and you would think
that the melting ice might cause me some alarm too, but I am at 30
feet above sea level, so I'm not worried because it will be weeks
before the water gets that high.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If it were not for the usenet swarm of naysayers and stay the course
incest of infomercial spewing rusemasters that think our Government
and of their Yiddish puppeteers can do no wrong, we'd be independent
of imported oil or any other kind of imported energy, and the global
spot market for $10/barrel would also most likely be the case.

As far as dirty old ice that's melting before our dumbfounded eyes,
get used to having less and having to deal with a good dozen other
related nasty aspects of a warmer world with less ice that's getting
measurably more polluted by the day, especially with our born-again
resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) running amuck.
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

Unless of course there was a tsunami, but we have some protection here
being on an inland straight.
But even if it did get up that high to 35 feet lets say, whats the
worst that can happen?
Giant squid.

More than likely dead-zone jellyfished to death.
- Brad Guth -

 

[BradGuth]

But if you guys want to compromise a bit I suppose we could consider
doing that.
My suggestion is for all garden shed producers of Brown's Gas to stick
with supplementing fossil fuels to improve gas mileage.
Its safer that way for starters. Until you have things sorted out
well.

Brown's Peroxide Gas would make a good enough go-between to otherwise
having my full blown liquid h2o2/c12h26 one-cycle little engine for
those hybrid Hummers.

That's merely half of a two-cycle engine that'll kick serious though
clean hybrid energy butt.
- Brad Guth -