[Mainlander]

If that is not a copyright then what is?

Ever heard of copyright licensing?

 

[Rod Speed]

The copyright holder may permit the copying with conditions ie the copy may
not be further reproduced or all the attached copyright notices must be
preserved, or the copies are not for publication.

And the legislation specifys that some copys dont infringe copyright too.

Lennier is the owner of the original not the copyright holder.
Lennier owns the paper and ink, the copyright holder retains a property
right to the information.
Otherwise the certification authority has no control over its certificate
being issued with altered names for the purpose of counterfeiting.

That protection doesnt come from copyright law.

 

[harry]

And the legislation specifys that some copys dont infringe copyright
too.


That protection doesnt come from copyright law.

Thats true, thats forgery, but manufacturing blank certificates derived from
a legit cert. and selling them for others to fill in could be prevented by
using copyright law.

 

[Rod Speed]

Thats true, thats forgery, but manufacturing blank
certificates derived from a legit cert. and selling them for
others to fill in could be prevented by using copyright law.

Certainly is.

 

[Rob]

"Lennier"


** Showing that silly scrap of paper around in Australia would only
provoke fits of laughter.

I suggest you keep it well hidden.

.......... Phil

I suppose it would, how many Ozzies have ever seen a certificate,
yet still, even own one?

Rob

 

[Rob]

I have the right to make as many copies of my certificate as I please.

I have the COPY-RIGHT - the RIGHT to COPY my certificate. I possess the
rights to copy that certificate any way I please. In fact nobody else can
copy that certificate.

The fact that I am not the author of the certificate is immaterial - the
ownership of the copyright to that particular certificate has been granted
to me, along with ownership of the certificate itself.

If this were not so then I would not legally be able to duplicate it.

Lennier

The polytech ceded the copyright to you when they
put your name on it.

The point of certificates in the main, is that the
"named" is able in gain a pecuniary advantage because
the qualification reached and recognized by the award
of the certificate.

To follow some people's arguments to their logical
conclusion, using a certificate to qualify for a job
could be construed as gaining a financial benefit.
That is a no no unless you are the copyright holder..

Rob

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rob" <[email protected]

To follow some people's arguments to their logical
conclusion, using a certificate to qualify for a job
could be construed as gaining a financial benefit.
That is a no no unless you are the copyright holder..

** You are a moron Rob.



........... Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

The polytech ceded the copyright to
you when they put your name on it.
Wrong.

The point of certificates in the main, is that the "named" is
able in gain a pecuniary advantage because the qualification
reached and recognized by the award of the certificate.

Irrelevant to who owns the copyright.

To follow some people's arguments to their logical
conclusion, using a certificate to qualify for a job
could be construed as gaining a financial benefit.
That is a no no unless you are the copyright holder..

Not a clue. There are plenty of situations in which
something that is copyrighted can be used to gain
a financial benefit without that infringing the copyright.

 

[Rob]

You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally.

Read the legislation.

Rubbish, who owns the copyright to all the Beatles music?
Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

 

[Rob]

Irrelevant to who owns the copyright.


Not a clue. There are plenty of situations in which
something that is copyrighted can be used to gain
a financial benefit without that infringing the copyright.

I've not got a clue? You can't even work out that the
certificate has a name on for one specific reason!
That is solely & wholly to benefit the named individual
on the certificate!
You keep rabbiting on about legislation, pull your
fucking ignorant head out of your ass and cite where
it specifically states that "named" certificates are
copyright to the issuer!

"Irrelevant to who owns the copyright" You stupid fuckwit,
in a previous post you said:
"You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally."

Make up you tiny mind!

 

[Rob]

"Rob" <[email protected]


** You are a moron Rob.

.......... Phil

Of course that rates me 10 levels above an australian....

 

[harry]

The polytech ceded the copyright to you when they
put your name on it.

No they didn't, but they may have given you conditional rights via a
copyright licence to copy it, or you may have fair use rights conferred by
the copyright legislation.
That is not the same as owning the copyright.

The point of certificates in the main, is that the
"named" is able in gain a pecuniary advantage because
the qualification reached and recognized by the award
of the certificate.

To follow some people's arguments to their logical
conclusion, using a certificate to qualify for a job
could be construed as gaining a financial benefit.
That is a no no unless you are the copyright holder..

Rob

Thats just not relevant as to who holds the copyright.
The financial benefit does not come from the certificate, it comes from the
qualification.
The form which a degree or vocational certification is written on is
generally copyrighted to the issuing authority.
You can buy a book newspaper CD or whatever, that does not mean you have
purchased the copyright.
The copyright holder can assign you the copyright as an agent, or sell you
the copyright, it is a civil property right to information.

 

[Terry Collins]

Never seen a rivetted PC power supply case yet - usually 4 countersunk
philips or pozidrive screws. I have opened many to replace fans (or to
salvage the fans out of dead PSUs)

About 1 in 100 of really old stuff (yum cha), or many special built
brand name PC power supplies (which I rarely access).

 

[Rod Speed]

Rubbish,

We'll see.

who owns the copyright to all the Beatles music?

Those involved in creating it, or who they sold it to.

Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

Normally the newspaper that publishes it.

Neither has any relevance what so ever to whether he has copyright
of the particular certificate with his name on. He doesnt. Because he
was never involved in creating it. He just has his name on it.

Read the legislation.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

I've not got a clue?

Precisely. Not one, zero, nada, ziltch.

You can't even work out that the certificate
has a name on for one specific reason!

Completely and utterly irrelevant to who retains the copyright.

That is solely & wholly to benefit the
named individual on the certificate!

Completely and utterly irrelevant to who retains the copyright.

You keep rabbiting on about legislation, pull your
fucking ignorant head out of your ass and cite where
it specifically states that "named" certificates are
copyright to the issuer!

The polytech obviously created that certificate, and
even someone as stupid as you should be able to
see where the legislation says that its the creator/
author etc that has the copyright of what they produce.
They can permit copying or can flog the copyright.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with whether financial advantage
is gained by the USE of the certificate that he OWNS.

"Irrelevant to who owns the copyright"
You stupid fuckwit, in a previous post you said:
"You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally."

Make up you tiny mind!

There is no conflict between those two you pig ignorant sheep raper.

 

[Lennier]

You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally.

<yawn>

I own the copyright to my certificate - that right was assigned to me
when I was given the certificate upon completion of the course that I had
paid for; and you're spouting shite.

I paid for what I learned, and the certificate merely proves that I have
received the education that I have paid for. It is, in *every* respect,
MY certificate.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

You do NOT own the COPYRIGHT at all, because you aint
the author or designer or creator of that particular certificate.
You are just the owner of it. A different matter entirely.

Duh - I own the RIGHT to COPY my certificate in any way I choose.

I can sell that right to someone else if I chose to do so. (Of course it
is another matter entirely whether or no someone else would actually want
to buy the copyright to my certificate from me.)

None of your blathering can demonstrate otherwise.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

Thats not what the word copyright means in the copyright act.

And WHO was talking about your copyright act?


Lennier

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" = autistic.




......... Phil

 

[Lennier]

Never said there was. I clearly said that 'its one
copy ... which just happens to have your name on it'

It's not a "copy" - it is the original! No other certificates issued by
that polytechnic for that course have my name on them.


Lennier