[Lennier]

Wrong again. The polytech can churn out duplicates if they want, legally.

How can it when I have the only original?

The Polytechnic would have to get the original back from me in order to
duplicate it.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

Wrong again. You have the implied permission of the actual
copyright owner to do that.

I have more than your "implied permission" - if I chose to do so I could
sell framed copies of my certificate @ $300 apiece - with no royalties
going to anyone else - because *I* own the copyright.

Savvy?


Lennier

 

[T.N.O. - Dave.net.nz]

How can it when I have the only original?
The Polytechnic would have to get the original back from me in order to
duplicate it.

It's called file storage... backups, data redundancy. :0

 

[Lennier]

Correct. But you are NOT the copyright owner. The polytech is.

The Polytechnic WAS the copyright owner. *I* am now the copyright owner. I
alone possess the right to make copies of my own certificate. Let's face
it - nobody else CAN make copies without getting the original from me
first.


Lennier

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" = a mental defective.




......... Phil

 

[Lennier]

Correct. Just like with say a paperback you have bought.

I cannot take that paperback and put a new cover on it and sell it for
money.

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put it in a
new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.

Don't even need the frame!

Cannot do that with your paperback - I do not have the right to copy
the paperback - that right is usually expressly denied by the publisher.


Lennier

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

<yawn>

Even you should be able to do better than that pathetic effort, child.

I own the copyright to my certificate

You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally.

- that right was assigned to me when I was given the
certificate upon completion of the course that I had paid for;

Wrong again. You certainly paid for the course and that certificate
that goes with passing the course, but that is NOT copyright.

Just like you pay for a paperback or CD when you buy
it and you do NOT get any copyright what so ever.

and you're spouting shite.

Pathetic, really. Read the legislation, child.

I paid for what I learned,

Yep, but that is NOT any COPYRIGHT.

and the certificate merely proves that I have
received the education that I have paid for.

Yep, but that is NOT any COPYRIGHT.

It is, in *every* respect, MY certificate.

Yep, but that is NOT any COPYRIGHT.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Duh - I own the RIGHT to COPY my certificate in any way I choose.

And that is JUST permission from the actual holder of that copyright
to do that. Just like you have an implied permission from me as the
copyright owner of what I post in here, to quote what I have posted,
because I chose to post what I have posted in here.

I can sell that right to someone else if I chose to do so.

Wrong again.

(Of course it is another matter entirely whether or no someone else
would actually want to buy the copyright to my certificate from me.)

It aint yours to sell child.

None of your blathering can demonstrate otherwise.

Read the legislation, you stupid pig ignorant child.

 

[Lennier]

The copyright holder may permit the copying with conditions ie the copy may
not be further reproduced or all the attached copyright notices must be
preserved, or the copies are not for publication.
Lennier is the owner of the original not the copyright holder.
Lennier owns the paper and ink, the copyright holder retains a property
right to the information.
Otherwise the certification authority has no control over its certificate
being issued with altered names for the purpose of counterfeiting.

I have never claimed that I own the LOGOs or any insignia or designs which
were used to manufacture my certificate.

I have only been speaking of my certificate as a whole - as a complete
document.

Of course the Polytechnic retains ownership over it's own LOGOs and
insignia and designs.

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone have the right to
reproduce my certificate. I alone have the RIGHT to COPY it - the
copy-right.

I do not own the intellectual property/logos/insignia/designs which were
used to manufacture my certificate - and have never claimed such ownership.


Lennier

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

And WHO was talking about your copyright act?

No one. That was YOUR copyright legislation, child.

 

[Lennier]

Thats true, thats forgery, but manufacturing blank certificates derived from
a legit cert. and selling them for others to fill in could be prevented by
using copyright law.

Who was speaking of manufacturing "blank certificates"? I was speaking of
my certificate - the one with my name on it. I was not speaking of
tampering with it for illegal/dodgy purposes.


Lennier

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

It's not a "copy"

Wrong again. Everyone who passed that course got
a copy of the certificate with their name on it, stupid.

- it is the original! No other certificates issued by that
polytechnic for that course have my name on them.

Completely and utterly irrelevant to who owns the copyright.

 

[Jason M]

"Lennier" = autistic.

So what?
So are many of the people reading this group.

 

[harry]

Who was speaking of manufacturing "blank certificates"? I was
speaking of my certificate - the one with my name on it. I was not
speaking of tampering with it for illegal/dodgy purposes.


Lennier

Whatever...
You don't own the copyright.
You may have fair use rights to make a copy.
You keep claiming that you own the copyright and you are wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong.
Get it ?
Wrong.

 

[harry]

I have never claimed that I own the LOGOs or any insignia or designs
which were used to manufacture my certificate.

I have only been speaking of my certificate as a whole - as a complete
document.

Of course the Polytechnic retains ownership over it's own LOGOs and
insignia and designs.

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone have the right to
reproduce my certificate. I alone have the RIGHT to COPY it - the
copy-right.

No, you just have permission to copy it, you do not have the copyright.
Copyright has a formal definition, you don't get to decide.
The polytech can make another one if they want to

 

[Rod Speed]

I have never claimed that I own the LOGOs or any insignia or designs which
were used to manufacture my certificate.

I have only been speaking of my certificate as a whole - as a complete
document.

Of course the Polytechnic retains ownership over it's own LOGOs and
insignia and designs.

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone
have the right to reproduce my certificate.

Wrong. As always. The polytech has that right too. And so has an
employer or potential employer who you choose to send it to too.

I alone have the RIGHT to COPY it - the copy-right.

Mindlessly simplistic legally.

Read the legislation, child.

I do not own the intellectual property/logos/insignia/
designs which were used to manufacture my certificate

And so you dont own copyright to anything
at all with respect to that certificate, legally.

ALL you have is the implied permission from the actual
copyright holder, the polytech, to copy it if you want to.

- and have never claimed such ownership.

You have however pig ignorantly claimed to own the
copyright to that particular certificate with your name on it.

You dont, legally.

 

[harry]

I cannot take that paperback and put a new cover on it and sell it for
money.

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put it
in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.

You have no permission from the copyright holder to do so unless it is
explicitly given because what you are suggesting exceeds your fair use
rights under the copyright act.
Look it up, instead of blathering like a fool.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

How can it when I have the only original?

They can obviously make more the same way they
made the one you have in your sweaty little paws, child.

The Polytechnic would have to get the
original back from me in order to duplicate it.

Wrong. As always. They can obviously make more the same
way they made the one you have in your sweaty little paws, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

I have more than your "implied permission"
Nope.

- if I chose to do so I could sell framed copies of my certificate
@ $300 apiece - with no royalties going to anyone else

Yes, because the implied permission allows that.

- because *I* own the copyright.

Wrong. As always. You have no copyright to
anything to do with that particular certificate, legally.

You didnt create it at all. You just have your name on it.

The fact that you might or might not have paid for
the course is as completely irrelevant to that question
of copyright as with a paperback you pay for, legally.

Savvy?

No savvy. None, zero, nada, ziltch.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

The Polytechnic WAS the copyright owner.

Still is the copyright owner.

*I* am now the copyright owner.

Wrong. As always.

I alone possess the right to make copies of my own certificate.

Wrong. As always.

Let's face it - nobody else CAN make copies
without getting the original from me first.

Separate issue entirely to whether you
own copyright to anything at all legally.

And the polytech doesnt need what you have in your
sweaty little paws to churn out more copys the same
way they made your original, with your name on them too.