[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

I cannot take that paperback and put
a new cover on it and sell it for money.

Wrong again.

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put
it in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.

Correct. But thats just because you own it and can wipe your
arse on it if you choose to do that. Thats all its good for.

I can wipe my arse on it too if you are silly
enough to present it when applying for a job too.

Don't even need the frame!

Cannot do that with your paperback

Wrong. As always. You can do anything you like with the paperback
too. The only thing you cant do is make copys of it, because you dont
have the permission of the copyright holder to do that.

- I do not have the right to copy the paperback -
that right is usually expressly denied by the publisher.

Irrelevant. You dont have that right anyway.

You have the right to copy what I have the copyright to
in these posts when quoting what I have written, because
you have the implied permission to quote what I have said
because I have chosen to post it in a public forum.

 

[Phil Allison]

So what?

** You must be one too - along with nearly all the other Hotmailers.

Autism is the fucwkit's mental disease.

So are many of the people reading this group.

** All the Kiwis at least.



............ Phil

 

[Lennier]

Normally the newspaper that publishes it.

Neither has any relevance what so ever to whether he has copyright
of the particular certificate with his name on. He doesnt. Because he
was never involved in creating it. He just has his name on it.

But the Publisher didn't write the article. The Article even has the
Journalist's name in the byline.

And yet the copyright to the article is owned by the Publisher.

I paid for the information represented by that certificate. I possess the
right to copy that certificate any way I please..

That is indeed the copyright.


Lennier

 

[Richard Hector]

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

I CAN legally copy my certificate - I own the right to copy my certificate
any way I please.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.

You can legally copy the Linux kernel, or any other GPL software. That in
no way means you own the copyright.

Though from past evidence, I don't expect you to understand this either ...

Richard

 

[Lennier]

Wrong again. You certainly paid for the course and that certificate
that goes with passing the course, but that is NOT copyright.

Just like you pay for a paperback or CD when you buy
it and you do NOT get any copyright what so ever.

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

I CAN legally copy my certificate - I own the right to copy my certificate
any way I please.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

And that is JUST permission from the actual holder of that copyright
to do that. Just like you have an implied permission from me as the
copyright owner of what I post in here, to quote what I have posted,
because I chose to post what I have posted in here.

You keep repeating yourself. Can't you either open your eyes or say
something new?


Lennier

 

[T.N.O. - Dave.net.nz]

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

That statement is a little too broad...
It depends on the conditions of the copyright.

 

[Lennier]

Wrong again. Everyone who passed that course got
a copy of the certificate with their name on it, stupid.

No - they got a unique certificate. They are all numbered - none other
exists with the same number.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

You keep claiming that you own the copyright and you are wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong.

LOL - you don't know nothing!


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

No, you just have permission to copy it, you do not have the copyright.
Copyright has a formal definition, you don't get to decide.
The polytech can make another one if they want to

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

When William Byrd received the right to produce copies of various
manuscripts of other composers he received just exactly that - the
copyright.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

Wrong. As always. The polytech has that right too. And so has an
employer or potential employer who you choose to send it to too.

Bullshit!

I alone have access to my certificate. For an employer to make a copy of
my certificate I would have to hand it my certificate, along with the
permission to make a copy.


Lennier

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier"

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

** Wrong !!!!

Printers do not own any copyright - but have the right to make copies
granted to them by an owner or licensee.



***** Get that autism seen to Lennier - your whole life is fucked
otherwise *****





........... Phil

 

[Lennier]

You have however pig ignorantly claimed to own the
copyright to that particular certificate with your name on it.

You dont, legally.

I DO!

You were not a party to the agreement between me and the Polytechnic.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

You have no permission from the copyright holder to do so unless it is
explicitly given because what you are suggesting exceeds your fair use
rights under the copyright act.

*I* possess the copyright to my certificate..

I can do what I like with it!


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

You didnt create it at all. You just have your name on it.

I didn't have to "create" the certificate - the copyright to my
certificate was assigned to me at the same time I received my certificate.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

And the polytech doesnt need what you have in your
sweaty little paws to churn out more copys the same
way they made your original, with your name on them too.

The Polytechnic cannot make a copy unless it receives the original back.

It could, however, make another original as a replacement.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

You can legally copy the Linux kernel, or any other GPL software. That in
no way means you own the copyright.

Though from past evidence, I don't expect you to understand this either ...

Let me see...

You seem to be saying that having the "right to copy" something is not the
same as having the "copy right."

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

That is the oldest interpretation of the term "copyright".


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

That statement is a little too broad...
It depends on the conditions of the copyright.

True enough...

Most times the copyright owner refuses to assign to the purchaser the
right to make copies of the purchased copy.


Lennier

 

[Lennier]

Get that autism seen to Lennier - your whole life is fucked
otherwise *****

You seem rather too keen on personally attacking people!


Lennier

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" <

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

** Which you have not got.

A full copyright holder has the right to ALTER a work - and sell the
altered versions.

You do not have that right either.

You have SFA rights.



............ Phil