[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" <

You seem rather too keen on personally attacking people!

** You are autistic - that is a fact.

Get yourself tested if you doubt me.

This is advice - not an attack.




........... Phil

 

[Craig Hart]

Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

But the Publisher didn't write the article. The Article even has the
Journalist's name in the byline.

See "works for hire" - if you're paid by others to create it as an employee,
others own it when you're done.

 

[Craig Hart]

PROVE you were explicitly assigned ownerchip of the copyright to "your"
certificate. if you cannot, you do not.

 

[Uncle StoatWarbler]

Rubbish, who owns the copyright to all the Beatles music?

Michael Jackson for the most part - and he's not the author.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

Wot I said, child.

I CAN legally copy my certificate

Because the copyright owner gives you permission to do that.

Just like you have permission from me to quote
what I write in here that I retain the copyright to.

- I own the right to copy my certificate any way I please.

You just have the permission of the copyright owner to do that.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child. It defines copyright there.

 

[Rod Speed]

Richard Hector wrote

Let me see...

Not likely possible, you've clearly wanked yourself blind.

You seem to be saying that having the "right to copy"
something is not the same as having the "copy right."

Correct. In that particular example you have the
permission of the copyright owner to make copys.

That is NOT the same thing as the copyright itself.

Read the legislation, child.

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

You dont have any 'exclusive right' except
in your fetid little pig ignorant imagination.

That is the oldest interpretation of the term "copyright".

Pity about the current law, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You keep repeating yourself.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Can't you either open your eyes or say something new?

You in spades, child. So stupid you cant even manage
to read and comprehend the relevant legislation.

You just keep mindlessly pig ignorantly chanting that silly copy-right mantra.

Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

harry wrote

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

Wrong. The other right to copy comes with
permission of the copyright owner to do that.

When William Byrd received the right to produce
copies of various manuscripts of other composers
he received just exactly that - the copyright.

You can certainly buy and sell a copyright.

No one ever sold you the copyright to anything.

You JUST have permission from the copyright owner
to copy that particular certificate with you name on it.

Just like plenty of the copyright holders of code give
permission for the code to be copied, used, modified,
as long as the attribution of the copyright holder is retained.

And I give you permission to quote what
I write in here, whilst retaining the copyright.

Read the legislation, child.

Read up on the Rule of Holes, too. You'll be out in china any day now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Bullshit!

You're certainly full of that.

I alone have access to my certificate.

The polytech doesnt need access to that particular certificate
to produce another with your name on it. Which is handy since
that would present some difficultys if you lose the original, child.

For an employer to make a copy of my
certificate I would have to hand it my certificate,

Must be one of those rocket scientist children.

along with the permission to make a copy.

You get no say on that legally. They are welcome
to make a copy for their files if they want to.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

I DO!

Screaming that at the top of your lungs changes nothing, child.

You were not a party to the agreement between me and the Polytechnic.

There is no 'agreement' on that. Its just another
of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

*I* possess the copyright to my certificate..

You can chant that pathetic little mantra till the cows come
home if you like child. Changes absolutely nothing at all.

Read the legislation.

I can do what I like with it!

Separate issue entirely to who retains the copyright.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

But the Publisher didn't write the article.

The publisher employs the journo, stupid.

Just like that polytech employed/paid someone to
design that certificate that they retain copyright to
even after they have written your name on one copy.

The Article even has the Journalist's name in the byline.

Sometimes they do, often they dont.

And yet the copyright to the article is owned by the Publisher.

It is indeed. Just like the copyright of that certificate
with your name on it is retained by the polytech.

I paid for the information represented by that certificate.

You actually paid for the course and the certificate is
just evidence that you did manage to pass that course.

I possess the right to copy that certificate any way I please..

Yes, permission to do that has been granted by
the polytech. They however retain the copyright.

That is indeed the copyright.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Yep.

- they got a unique certificate.

Its still a copy.

They are all numbered

So are cars/appliances. And each one churned
out on the production line is another copy.

- none other exists with the same number.

Completely irrelevant to who owns the copyright.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

I didn't have to "create" the certificate

You do to get copyright. Read the legislation, child.

- the copyright to my certificate was assigned
to me at the same time I received my certificate.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

The Polytechnic cannot make a copy unless it receives the original back.

Mindlessly silly. They can make a new
one the same way they made the first one.

If they couldnt, there'd be a problem with lost certificates, stupid.

It could, however, make another original as a replacement.

And thats a copy of the original, stupid.

 

[harry]

I DO!

You were not a party to the agreement between me and the Polytechnic.

Post it !!!! LIAR

 

[Richard Hector]

You seem to be saying that having the "right to copy" something is not the
same as having the "copy right."

We've been talking about "copyright"; all one word. If you keep changing
the terminology, it's no wonder the definitions get muddled.

Having said that, if you replace "copy right" with "copyright" in your
sentence above, then yes that is what I am saying. Copyright is a specific
legal term.

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

The _exclusive_ right to copy is different again. If that exists, it
would rest with the copyright holder. However the copyright holder can
also grant permission to copy to others - as Linus T. did with the Linux
kernel. He still retains the copyright (well, to bits of it anyway).

That is the oldest interpretation of the term "copyright".

Now you've gone back to the single word, which you hadn't discussed
previously in this post ...

Richard

 

[Mainlander]

The Polytechnic WAS the copyright owner. *I* am now the copyright owner.

No, you are at best, a copyright licensee.

I
alone possess the right to make copies of my own certificate. Let's face
it - nobody else CAN make copies without getting the original from me
first.

The Polytech can always make another original

 

[Mainlander]

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

Nope, you can have a copyright license

 

[Lennier]

See "works for hire" - if you're paid by others to create it as an employee,
others own it when you're done.

And how is that any different from the work for hire that I purchased when
I payed-for, attended, completed and passed the course?

The certificate is, in a manner of speaking, the receipt indicating that I
have received the education that I paid for.


Lennier