[John Larkin]

It looks like they have perfected their "Through the monitor" lobotomy
process, as well.

The television networks have been using that technique for decades
now.

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

The television networks have been using that technique for decades
now.

And it works well! Look at all those people who think they write
good TV scripts.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[spodosaurus]

Hello,

After using the mouse for a while I get these sweat spots on my table.

Other people get sweat spots on their mouse mat.

Very digusting annoying stuff.

Do you have some sort of perspiration disorder? I've never seen this
happen, not even in all night gaming. Maybe you should fucking well wash
your hands from time to time in between your self abuse sessions instead
of spreading your purulent jizz all over your mouse and smearing it all
over your desktop.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Use a hard tabletop surface and an optical mouse, no fucking pad of any
kind is needed. They track fine, and clean up is the same as it is for
the rest of the table top.

Better yet, use a trackball type mouse, and keep your hand in one place
and use your thumb to navigate. I use them, and they are great as no
movement is required. Great for gaming as I can do a 360 or 180 spin
faster than any chump with a joystick can.

An optical mouse is bad idea.

Bullshit. What a bunch of paranoid horseshit!

Although it might help solve the
slippery mouse ball issue, an optical mouse is a security problem.
Inside the mouse is a small CMOS imager capable of being used as a
camera. I've always suspected that todays 40MByte (compressed) mouse
drivers is really spy software that sends pictures of everything the
mouse sees to various government acronyms. Why else would the driver
need to be that huge?

How fucking retarded! There is NO CCD imager in a fucking optical
mouse (an 18 x 18 pixel array is NOT an image maker) and an optical mouse
is NOT any kind of security risk, AND nearly ANY standard two or three
button Optical Mouse with or without a wheel can be plugged in and run
with no driver whatsoever as they are usually 100% MS mouse compliant.

If you had a 40MB driver, then you had some exotic, ten button mouse or
some dumb shit like that, and even that is questionable.

Examples:
<http://spritesmods.com/?art=mouseeye>

A perfect example of why an 18 x 18 pixel array is NOT an image maker.

<http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-9774EN.pdf>

A proof why an 18 x 18 pixel array is too grainy for image resolution.
Any dope knows that.

<http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=36511&lngWId=1>

That is not an 18 x 18 pixel array, so I find that article to be
dubious at best.

Even the flat bed scanners cannot be trusted:
<http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/scanner.html>

Hahaha... they don't build scanners that way any more. The optics cost
too much. Modern scanners are LINE SCANNERS.

Line scanners? Dude, how can something that has to be physically
accessed to garner info be a security risk, when the required remote
manipulation is impossible?

You have to learn what is real, and what is fiction. Besides, modern
devices like that are usually USB, so they do not even need to be plugged
in until a user is ready to use them. Problem solved.

Anyone that has all their peripherals plugged in all the time is a dope
when they only use them once in a blue moon. The same effort required to
turn one on can be applied to plugging it into the hub at the same time.

I think that USB peripherals should be absent a power switch and that
they should power up when the I/O cord (USB) gets plugged in.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

You know the NSA has figured out how to take a picture through your
monitor?

Bullshit.

MAYBE true back in the old CRT days (doubtful however), but not in the
FPD LCD display era. Get a clue.

What they could do as well then, is pull up outside your house with a
van, and see exactly what you view on your CRT screen.

That is also now not true with FPDs in flux.

Maybe you should get together with the MI5 persecution retard and start
spamming the groups with bullshit, boy. Oh... that's right... you
already have flooded the groups with bullshit.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Easy. Many technical discussions are performed at restaurants using
the table cloth as scratch paper. I know of at least one IETF
standard, and two business plans, that were originally documented on a
restaurant tablecloth. That's mostly because none of the participants
are sufficiently organized to bring paper to a fancy dinner or had any
intentions of discussing business. Allowing such tablecloths to fall
into the hands of the competition would be a serious breach of
security.

It's not just the image of the tablecloth that might be compromised. I
find it interesting that both Apple and PC mice now come in very
transparent plastic packages. There's no aesthetic or technical
reason to do this. However, it does make it easier to take photos of
the user through the case. No doubt this originated as an attempt by
marketing to obtain more accurate user statistics. Unfortunately,
this feature is certainly easy to abuse. Beware of clear case optical
mice.

You are so full of shit.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

The television networks have been using that technique for decades
now.

More paranoid bullshit.

 

[John Larkin]

You are so full of shit.

Many billion-dollar ideas started as scribbles on paper napkins. When
that happens, you know that we live in a post-Capitalist world.

I'd suggest you google "napkin sketch" for some interesting stuff,
except that we know you find very few things to be interesting.

John

 

[John Larkin]

More paranoid bullshit.

Hey, you're the poster child for video-induced neuropathy.

John

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Many billion-dollar ideas started as scribbles on paper napkins. When
that happens, you know that we live in a post-Capitalist world.

I'd suggest you google "napkin sketch" for some interesting stuff,
except that we know you find very few things to be interesting.

John

Dumbfuck. I was talking about the clear mouse case paranoia.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Hey, you're the poster child for video-induced neuropathy.

John

You must be thinking of the MI5 spammer

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

(...)
Dumbfuck. I was talking about the clear mouse case paranoia.

Thank you for you concise and brief comments. However, you might want
to work on the diplomacy. It's far more effective to be insulting if
you leave out the profanity.

With the clear mouse case, may I trouble you to explain what benefits
could possibly be derived from a clear mouse case? It makes the
design more difficult because the optical sensor must be shielded from
ambient light. I once owned an early ball type of mouse, with a
somewhat translucent plastic case. The shaft encoders picked up
ambient light and caused the mouse to operate rather erratically. It
would literally only work in the dark.

Perhaps the clear case mouse targets all those latent geeks that might
want to show off all the electronics inside. That's kinda like the
old hot-rods from my youth driving around with the engines exposed. I
believe that Apple was the first to introduce a clear case mouse.
Apple users are not particularly known for being compulsive geeks, so
this market segment is rather dubious. Clear cases are typically
fairly easy to scratch, but Apple chose to use polycarbonate which is
far more durable, but also more expensive than ABS. All this trouble
and expense just to get a clear case? There has to be ulterior
motive.

In my never humble opinion, there's only one possible justification
for an optically clear case. The mouse camera is spying on the user.
It's probably a part of the ever expanding war on terrorism, where
public funds are laundered through the Dept of Homeland Security to
vendors willing to spy on computer users. At a minimum, they now have
your fingerprints from imaging the mouse case. Anyone operating the
computer that looks like a terrorist (ethnic profiling) will be
monitored through their mouse actions and mouse camera.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/slides/jeffl-06.html>
Osama bin Liebermann. That was me 25 years ago, but once a terrorist,
always a terrorist. (I shaved off the beard immediately after I
bought my first clear case mouse). Of course, the mouse will scan and
possibly read everything it can see.

Also, the lack of government comment on the clear mouse case issue is
very suspicious. It implies that they are a key player in the
conspiracy. If you see a program to distribute free clear case mice
to the GUM (great unwashed masses), I'll consider my suspicions to be
verified.

There's also the question of what's inside the bloated mouse driver?
MS Intellipoint 6.2 for Vista is 15MBytes (compressed) big. That's a
far cry from the old MSDOS drivers that were perhaps 50KBytes. It
really doesn't take 14MBytes (compressed) to run 3 buttons and 2 shaft
encoders. So, what's inside all that surplus bloat? My guess(tm) is
that it's the video driver, data collector, encryption, and file
transfer utility necessary to do the spying.

You also seem to have something against paranoia. I consider paranoia
in electronic design to be a good thing. One should never stop
worrying about what might go wrong. When you think you have all your
calculations and predictions set in stone, that's when you'll make
your fatal mistakes. Instead of complacency, you should be worrying
about undiscovered screwups, slipped decimal points, and bad guesses.
Question everything, don't trust anyone elses numbers, and never
assume that you're done (until the check clears the bank).

 

[John Larkin]

In my never humble opinion, there's only one possible justification
for an optically clear case. The mouse camera is spying on the user.

No. They have photovoltaic cells inside. They steal your ambient
light, save up the electrical energy, and send it back to China by
email.

You also seem to have something against paranoia. I consider paranoia
in electronic design to be a good thing. One should never stop
worrying about what might go wrong. When you think you have all your
calculations and predictions set in stone, that's when you'll make
your fatal mistakes. Instead of complacency, you should be worrying
about undiscovered screwups, slipped decimal points, and bad guesses.
Question everything, don't trust anyone elses numbers, and never
assume that you're done (until the check clears the bank).

For sure.

http://www.amazon.com/Only-Paranoid...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195755796&sr=8-1


John

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Thank you for you concise and brief comments. However, you might want
to work on the diplomacy. It's far more effective to be insulting if
you leave out the profanity.

With the clear mouse case, may I trouble you to explain what benefits
could possibly be derived from a clear mouse case? It makes the
design more difficult because the optical sensor must be shielded from
ambient light.

Not if the design utilizes a NON-visible spectrum LED emitter and
receiver. D'oh! Same price, same difficulty. D'oh!

I once owned an early ball type of mouse, with a
somewhat translucent plastic case. The shaft encoders picked up
ambient light and caused the mouse to operate rather erratically.

Then it was a retarded design, and I am not talking about the case
opacity or lack thereof.

It
would literally only work in the dark.

Maybe that is your problem as well.

Perhaps the clear case mouse targets all those latent geeks that might
want to show off all the electronics inside.

I once wanted to make a clear water ski, but decided against it for
obvious reasons. Now, I could simply include a radio beacon to find it,
were it ever lost.

That's kinda like the
old hot-rods from my youth driving around with the engines exposed.

There were 100% functional reasons for those, and if you don't know
what they are, you had no business working with, owning, or expounding on
muscle cars.

I
believe that Apple was the first to introduce a clear case mouse.

Whatever. What they did NOT introduce is a way to take a shot of the
surroundings from within it, dope.

Apple users are not particularly known for being compulsive geeks, so
this market segment is rather dubious.

Bullshit. There have been clear case consumer electronic products over
the years in many areas, and all have had some modicum of popularity as
long as the quality was maintained, and the price was on par with that
family of products in the industry.

Clear cases are typically
fairly easy to scratch,

No. ALL plastic is fairly easy to scratch. A clear case, however,
will *show* it's surface abrasions more readily.

but Apple chose to use polycarbonate which is
far more durable, but also more expensive than ABS.

Whatever. It also gets brittle over time and UV exposure far more
readily. Try laying some fishing bait rubber worms on it and see what
happens to it. :-]

All this trouble
and expense just to get a clear case?

What a fucking dope.

There has to be ulterior
motive.

You HAVE to be a brainless idiot.

In my never humble opinion, there's only one possible justification
for an optically clear case.

Yes. It is to make paranoid dopes like you actually think you have some
modicum of intelligence. I refute your claim, however. Do you see some
little optical bench inside there which allows an image other than
directly downward to be gathered? Get a clue.

The mouse camera is spying on the user.

You are not having much success with your lobotomy, I see.

It's probably a part of the ever expanding war on terrorism, where
public funds are laundered through the Dept of Homeland Security to
vendors willing to spy on computer users.

Are you sure that you are not really the "MI5 persecution" spammer in
disguise?

At a minimum, they now have
your fingerprints from imaging the mouse case.

You're a goddamned idiot. At best, if that were the case or the goal,
they would have SOMEONE's fingerprints.

I think that dopes that spout utter bullshit like you should be
required to submit your prints, DNA, and retinal scans.

Bwuahahahah!

Anyone operating the
computer that looks like a terrorist (ethnic profiling) will be
monitored through their mouse actions and mouse camera.

Anyone that spouts utter bullshit like you should be banned from
technical newsgroups.

<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/slides/jeffl-06.html>
Osama bin Liebermann. That was me 25 years ago, but once a terrorist,
always a terrorist. (I shaved off the beard immediately after I
bought my first clear case mouse). Of course, the mouse will scan and
possibly read everything it can see.

Nice don't read. They merely eat what they are fed, and provide clues
to our cellular physiology and tell us whether a certain new eye liner
product will cause an allergic skin response.

Also, the lack of government comment on the clear mouse case issue is
very suspicious.

You're a total dweeb.

It implies that they are a key player in the
conspiracy. If you see a program to distribute free clear case mice
to the GUM (great unwashed masses), I'll consider my suspicions to be
verified.

I consider you to be spewing horseshit for a response. You are
transparent in your endeavors, however.

There's also the question of what's inside the bloated mouse driver?

You're an idiot.

MS Intellipoint 6.2 for Vista is 15MBytes (compressed) big.

Not even needed. Plug it in and it works. Period.

That's a
far cry from the old MSDOS drivers that were perhaps 50KBytes.

Your logic is a far cry from valid as well. Write your congressman.

It
really doesn't take 14MBytes (compressed) to run 3 buttons and 2 shaft
encoders. So, what's inside all that surplus bloat? My guess(tm) is
that it's the video driver, data collector, encryption, and file
transfer utility necessary to do the spying.

Well... I guess you should monitor your fucking net ports then, eh?

You also seem to have something against paranoia.

No. I have something against overt paranoia, and blatant utter
stupidity.

I consider paranoia
in electronic design to be a good thing.

In some arenas, sure. Like mine. I make sure the boys get to talk to
each other, and that nobody else gets to listen. Doesn't matter what
fucking mouse they use either.

One should never stop
worrying about what might go wrong.

I have a desktop camera as well, but I have ZERO "security concerns"
regarding it. Guess what? It can't read my fucking fingerprints EITHER,
and it is a far higher res than any fucking mouse is or could ever be.

When you think you have all your
calculations and predictions set in stone, that's when you'll make
your fatal mistakes.

Whatever you say, silly boy.

Instead of complacency, you should be worrying
about undiscovered screwups, slipped decimal points, and bad guesses.

The Excel 65,535 error is internal only. I am beginning to think that
YOU are an undiscovered screwup. Someone should notify God.

Question everything,

I question the validity of anyone calling you technically inclined.

don't trust anyone elses numbers, and never
assume that you're done (until the check clears the bank).

Let's just say that I won't be buying any of your products anytime
soon.

 

[John Larkin]

Not if the design utilizes a NON-visible spectrum LED emitter and
receiver. D'oh! Same price, same difficulty. D'oh!

Mine uses a red LED, d'oh.

And why do you assume that, just because you can't see ambient light
because of its wavelength, it isn't there, d'oh? Infrared doesn't
exist because you can't see it?

You have zero sense of humor, but you can still be awfully funny.

John

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

For sure.
http://www.amazon.com/Only-Paranoid...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195755796&sr=8-1
John

Not really. I have the book and it's not about the benifits of
paranoia in tech companies or designs. It's really about the decision
point as to whether a company is going to take off or crash miserably.
See review at:
<http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/grove/paranoid.htm>
Although the title fits, the content does not.

 

[John Doe]

You must be thinking of the MI5 spammer

Anyone who would take my reply seriously, anyone who is not familiar
with that well-known hoax, really.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Mine uses a red LED, d'oh.

Is yours a clear case or one designed with a non-visible device? D'oh!
Then it must not be yours I am talking about.

Also, if the fucking thing is kept against the mat/horizontal surface
like it is supposed to be, it won't have overhead ambient light tracking
issues, dipshit. Despite the clear case, the read assembly it self can
be "shielded" from ambient light as well. D'OH!

Major fucking D'oh! that is. That'd be you two.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

And why do you assume that, just because you can't see ambient light
because of its wavelength,

why does your retarded ass assume that I have assumed anything,
dumbfuck?

it isn't there, d'oh? Infrared doesn't
exist because you can't see it?

It isn't there in any form that will upset the tracking of a fucking
mouse, and said device can easily be narrowly filtered, you retarded
****.

You have zero sense of humor, but you can still be awfully funny.

You are one stupid bastard most of the time. Mainly because it is YOU
that is doing the ASSuming.

 

[John Doe]

Bullshit.

MAYBE true back in the old CRT days (doubtful however), but not
in the
FPD LCD display era. Get a clue.

It shouldn't be news for anyone who pretends to be technically
inclined. The technology has been around long enough for Sony to
reverse engineer.

http://www.geocities.com/nadeem_still_happens/nadeemz.swf

There is an online example even a moron like you can understand.