Compass Software

[Robertm]

No, I have never purchased anything from Mr. Bass nor have I inquired about
any of his services. It is my understanding that he is not in the monitoring
business, anyhow.

Bob

 

[Crash Gordon]

I have it, but who'd want it?


| Notice he doesn't post Napco's login
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| | > post the un/pw for ademco tech site access.
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| > | > |> Why would you do that?
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| > | Do what?
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[Crash Gordon]

Why? Because it's for alarm professional who understand the language and
know what programming changes can do. Personally, I think it's irresponsible
for someone to post un/pw for any alarm software that is meant for trained
personnel.



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| | > that should be reported to ADI or the appropriate authorities.
| >
| It can't be that much of a secret. I've looked into monitoring companies
and
| so far, two companies offered to give me the software for free if I sign
up
| with them. I'm a DIY not an alarm professional and from where I sit, it
| looks like Ademco treats it like freeware. The UN/PW has been posted many
| times so I'm assuming Honeywell either winks and looks the other way or
else
| condones it outright. I can't see their not being aware.
|
| Bob
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[Norm Mugford]

Naah. Everyone already knows it.
honeywell
support99

Mr. Bass your stupidity forever surprises me......

Posting un/pw on Honeywell Software.....

Where are your brains......

Since you have jeopardized the security of every
compass user in the world, I will forward your post
to the appropriate people at ADI and Honeywell and
request that they make arrangements to change the un/pw,
because of your stupidity.

A request to have your account closed is also in order.


Norm Mugford

 

[Robertm]

In my view the problem began with professionals trying to bait a DIY by
telling the OP that he was welcome to go to that web site and they even said
it was free, all the while knowing that the site was password protected and
knowing it isn't free. I would think a professional response would have been
to tell the OP that it is professional software and limited to use by
professionals. But no, the pro's like to toy with DIY. For what purpose? Are
DIY really that much of a threat to the industry that professionals must be
put aside sound business practices to play games with people? What goes
around comes around. These things only provoke someone else to post the
password even if it may be wrong to do so.

Bob

 

[moe]

how would we know he was a DIY? if he was posting in a PRO group one would
assume he was a PRO.

 

[Robertm]

I would be inclined to assume that a pro would know what his warranty and
replacement policy was on his software. Unless you are very new to
computing, the internet, and newsgroups, you know that many DIY post on pro
NG's because they get some very good advice. I'm a DIY who has watched the
NG for some time and will now get my monitoring service from one of the pros
who has posted here. I'm comfortable that he knows what he is doing. If I
wanted to buy an amateur monitoring service, I'd have posted there.

Bob

 

[Jim]

In my view the problem began with professionals trying to bait a DIY by
telling the OP that he was welcome to go to that web site and they even said
it was free, all the while knowing that the site was password protected and
knowing it isn't free. I would think a professional response would have been
to tell the OP that it is professional software and limited to use by
professionals. But no, the pro's like to toy with DIY. For what purpose? Are
DIY really that much of a threat to the industry that professionals must be
put aside sound business practices to play games with people? What goes
around comes around. These things only provoke someone else to post the
password even if it may be wrong to do so.

I don't know about you, but why don't you go back and read the OP's
post. At first glance, it appeared to me that he was a dealer and had
lost his copy. Why would anyone assume that an end user was in
possesion of the compass software?
That is ..... anyone who hadn't been doing business with slimeball Bass.

 

[moe]

I would be inclined to assume that a pro would know what his warranty and
replacement policy was on his software.

you know what happens when you assume.

Unless you are very new to

computing, the internet, and newsgroups, you know that many DIY post on
pro NG's because they get some very good advice.

and some get no help or get lambasted, but very few get access to pro only
info

I'm a DIY who has watched the

NG for some time and will now get my monitoring service from one of the
pros who has posted here. I'm comfortable that he knows what he is doing.

is that the one for $50 to prog?

If I

wanted to buy an amateur monitoring service, I'd have posted there.

where can you get amateur monitoring? and how much does that cost?

 

[Robertm]

Amateur monitoring may cost more or less than pro monitoring. It has been
said that one gets what they pay for, but too many times the customer
doesn't get what he pays for. No, I'm not going with some cheap outfit. Yes,
someone will remote program it for $50, but price is not the determining
factor. I merely asked if that was a reasonable price. If someone came back
and said, no, it normally costs $200, then I would suspect the $50 people
probably don't know what they are doing. If it's in the ballpark, then
that's good. If someone quoted me $2, I'd pass it by. The monitoring company
I'll be using appears to be operated by someone who is well respected and
posts regularly in this NG. If the other pros respect him, then that's a
good sign. I agree, no one ever really knows what they are getting for any
product until they actually get it and have to use it. The proof is in the
pudding, as they say. Yes, one should never assume. However, I am an
engineer who has done extensive programming and I know the policy on all of
my purchased software. I can't believe a pro wouldn't have a backup copy off
site, but I suppose anyone can be sloppy.

Robert

 

[Robertm]

I don't know about you, but why don't you go back and read the OP's
post. At first glance, it appeared to me that he was a dealer and had
lost his copy. Why would anyone assume that an end user was in
possesion of the compass software?
That is ..... anyone who hadn't been doing business with slimeball Bass.

I agree I may have made a wrong assumption, but that does not mean that
every wrong comment must be associated with Mr. Bass. I have not transacted
any business with Mr. Bass. I have no association with Mr. Bass. Any
discussion I've had with Mr. Bass has been posted on the NG and open for
anyone to read. Your reasoning is that you disagree with Mr. Bass, therefore
if you disagree with anyone, they must be a Mr. Bass customer or friend or
whatever. Paranoia? Mr. Bass lurking behind every rock and tree?

Bob

 

[Jim]

Why would you do that?

Well, here ya are Crash.

You've finally come to that point that everyone ultimately comes to.
I'm sure, since you've been "here" for awhile, blithely staying out of
the frey, you've had to make some observations and formed some
opinions. I've seen it happen again and again. Eventually, Fat Ass
pushes the button that puts it over the line. Your question above has
been asked hundreds, if not thousands of times in the approximately 8
years I've participated in this group. And the answer is ......
primarily because, in as plain a language as some one of his level
deserves, he's a rotten, nasty, arrogant son of a bitch. He knows
EXACTLY what he is doing. He has no business being in this group if he
is going to continuously detract from the installation trade, of which
the majority of this Newsgroup is made up of and was formed for. The
majority of people who participate in this group don't like him, don't
like what he does and individually take exception to his attitude and
his constant jibes and detraction from this Newsgroup. As long as all
of his detractors do nothing as a group effort to stop him, he will
continue. You can continue to silently contend with it, but it's now
quite plainly apparent, what you think of this bastard. At least we
know that you don't approve of what he's done to this Newsgroup.

 

[R.H.Campbell]

Sir, I can only speak for monitoring stations that I know of in Canada, but
there is no such thing as "amateur monitoring". Monitoring stations are the
most heavily regulated part of the alarm business, and almost without
exception, adhere to ULC and CSA standards. Other than the stations that
cater directly to end users for about $10, monitoring stations charge
dealers somewhat less ($2 to $6), and the end price of monitoring is resold
by dealers according to what the market will bear, or what they choose to
market it at to be competitive in their area. From my direct experience, the
$10 a month monitoring stations are every bit as professional as the larger
monitoring stations, and in some cases much more responsive to the end user
than some of the very large stations. What you don't get with the "direct to
end user monitoring" however, is any support whatsoever for your alarm
system. If you have trouble, or a question, or need service, you are either
completely on your own, or subject to a local subcontractor for service.
It's a bit of a crapshoot, but with a local dealer on your side, you will
usually be pleasantly surprised on the level of service you can obtain when
you need it, for only a few dollars a month more !!

The administrative price you are charged is what your particular company
feels they need to set your system up; it has no bearing on the quality of
the monitoring or even the quality of the company doing the setup on your
behalf. Some companies choose to bill for that time; others don't because
they know they are beginning what is usually a long and profitable
relationship with you. You can't assume anything from the setup fees !!

However, it does pay to choose a company that you feel comfortable with,
because you will likely be with them for some years to come

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com

 

[Coaster Boy]

I thank you for the info. As for am I a pro or a DIY, I am a Do It
Yourself. I usually work with DSC systems, so I have some programming
experience. I do agree that it should be left to a pro but I am alas house
poor. 1st year owning the house so I have found out lost of things that
need repair / replacement /or just torn out. Most people wanted 100 bucks
to program it for me and that kind of money I don not have right now but
would like to have some house protection installed. My back ground is a
Journeyman Electrician with extensive work with Edwards fire alarm systems
so I feel pretty confidant that I can program this.

Again, thank you James and Robert L Bass. This will be a great help. Now I
don't have to use the 2 line alphanumeric keypad to do the programming.

Dave.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Why? Because it's for alarm professional who understand the language and
know what programming changes can do. Personally, I think it's irresponsible
for someone to post un/pw for any alarm software that is meant for trained
personnel.

Welcome to RLB's world, glad you could make it

 

[Mark Leuck]

In my view the problem began with professionals trying to bait a DIY by
telling the OP that he was welcome to go to that web site and they even said
it was free, all the while knowing that the site was password protected and
knowing it isn't free. I would think a professional response would have been
to tell the OP that it is professional software and limited to use by
professionals. But no, the pro's like to toy with DIY. For what purpose? Are
DIY really that much of a threat to the industry that professionals must be
put aside sound business practices to play games with people? What goes
around comes around. These things only provoke someone else to post the
password even if it may be wrong to do so.

Bob

Not true at all, if someone posts here wanting the software we don't know if
he's a dealer, installer or a customer. I would tell someone to go to
Honeywell's site as well since if they ARE a dealer or installer they will
have no problem signing up and getting the login as opposed to the average
joe who won't

Nobodies toying with anyone

 

[Robertm]

Not true at all, if someone posts here wanting the software we don't know
if
he's a dealer, installer or a customer. I would tell someone to go to
Honeywell's site as well since if they ARE a dealer or installer they will
have no problem signing up and getting the login as opposed to the average
joe who won't

Nobodies toying with anyone

OP has now stated he is DIY, not pro.

Bob

 

[Frank Olson]

where can you get amateur monitoring?

Sadly, Robert sold his garage based central station... ;-))

 

[Frank Olson]

Since you have jeopardized the security of every
compass user in the world, I will forward your post
to the appropriate people at ADI and Honeywell and
request that they make arrangements to change the un/pw,
because of your stupidity.

It's been done before. Honeywell doesn't appear to care one way or the
other.

A request to have your account closed is also in order.

Heh... Bass is an *unlicensed* retailer that also happens to be one of
ADI's biggest customers (according to him). I sincerely doubt they're going
to close his account at this stage... Besides... He can always get product
"through the back door".

 

[Frank Olson]

I thank you for the info. As for am I a pro or a DIY, I am a Do It
Yourself. I usually work with DSC systems, so I have some programming
experience. I do agree that it should be left to a pro but I am alas house
poor. 1st year owning the house so I have found out lost of things that
need repair / replacement /or just torn out. Most people wanted 100 bucks
to program it for me and that kind of money I don not have right now but
would like to have some house protection installed. My back ground is a
Journeyman Electrician with extensive work with Edwards fire alarm systems
so I feel pretty confidant that I can program this.

Again, thank you James and Robert L Bass. This will be a great help. Now
I don't have to use the 2 line alphanumeric keypad to do the programming.

The software won't do you any good without a compatible modem.