Compass Software

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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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Ademco/honeywell has now come out with a chopped version of Compass, for end
users to pull reports change users etc called Navigator so obviously they
want it kept in professional hands.

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Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor

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Robertm

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Olson said:
The software won't do you any good without a compatible modem.

I have an extensive electrical background, too. And I've done programming
for industrial computer controlled equipment and PLC's. However, I was given
a price of $50 to have someone else program my 15P Vista and for that price
I'm not even turning the page in the programming manual. There's a time and
place for a pro.

Bob
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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The un/pw USED to be tied to our dealer accounts..in the olden days.


message |
| |
| > Since you have jeopardized the security of every
| > compass user in the world, I will forward your post
| > to the appropriate people at ADI and Honeywell and
| > request that they make arrangements to change the un/pw,
| > because of your stupidity.
|
| It's been done before. Honeywell doesn't appear to care one way or the
| other.
|
|
| >
| > A request to have your account closed is also in order.
|
|
| Heh... Bass is an *unlicensed* retailer that also happens to be one of
| ADI's biggest customers (according to him). I sincerely doubt they're
going
| to close his account at this stage... Besides... He can always get
product
| "through the back door".
|
|
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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It's worth it. There's lingo in there that is even a mystery to some pros.




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| message | >
| > | >>I thank you for the info. As for am I a pro or a DIY, I am a Do It
| >>Yourself. I usually work with DSC systems, so I have some programming
| >>experience. I do agree that it should be left to a pro but I am alas
| >>house poor. 1st year owning the house so I have found out lost of
things
| >>that need repair / replacement /or just torn out. Most people wanted
100
| >>bucks to program it for me and that kind of money I don not have right
now
| >>but would like to have some house protection installed. My back ground
is
| >>a Journeyman Electrician with extensive work with Edwards fire alarm
| >>systems so I feel pretty confidant that I can program this.
| >>
| >> Again, thank you James and Robert L Bass. This will be a great help.
| >> Now I don't have to use the 2 line alphanumeric keypad to do the
| >> programming.
| >
| >
| > The software won't do you any good without a compatible modem.
|
| I have an extensive electrical background, too. And I've done programming
| for industrial computer controlled equipment and PLC's. However, I was
given
| a price of $50 to have someone else program my 15P Vista and for that
price
| I'm not even turning the page in the programming manual. There's a time
and
| place for a pro.
|
| Bob
|
|
 
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Joe Lucia

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, software not straight-forward or user friendly. Modem was
difficult to find or expensive to buy. It took me days to figure out
my Vista 20P on the Compass, trying to figure out what on the screen
related to what in the programming docs. I program computers, not
panels. Alarm panels have a logic of their own and the Compass
software doesn't even follow much computer programming logic :)
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Nick Markowitz said:
Ademco/honeywell has now come out with a chopped version of Compass, for end
users to pull reports change users etc called Navigator so obviously they
want it kept in professional hands.

--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor

Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
Staff Editor www.securitymission.com
Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
Senior Affilliate www.nbfd.us
Contributor www.monyoughfire.com
Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.

Navigator supports only a few panels tho, Vista-128 and above if I recall
from my copy, not the entire line
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Joe Lucia said:
Yeah, software not straight-forward or user friendly. Modem was
difficult to find or expensive to buy. It took me days to figure out
my Vista 20P on the Compass, trying to figure out what on the screen
related to what in the programming docs. I program computers, not
panels. Alarm panels have a logic of their own and the Compass
software doesn't even follow much computer programming logic :)

And it's designed to run in Windows 3.1, gotta love those ancient 16-bit
applications.

Even so it's in my opinion the best overall downloading software available
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Cripes Mark, what does that say about all the other downloading software. It
can't all be bad....

RHC


Even so it's in my opinion the best overall downloading software available
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash Gordon said:
The un/pw USED to be tied to our dealer accounts..in the olden days.


And to get the password you used to have to go through an approval process
that also included a fairly restrictive end-user agreement... Not that it
would have made any difference to Bass...
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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That was true.


message |
| | > The un/pw USED to be tied to our dealer accounts..in the olden days.
|
|
| And to get the password you used to have to go through an approval process
| that also included a fairly restrictive end-user agreement... Not that it
| would have made any difference to Bass...
|
|
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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I dunno I'm kina partial to Remote Link as you can work live with panel
programming changes you don't have to upload save download save...blah blah
blah.

But Compass is much better than some of the other ones I've used in the
past. Compass is goofy though when you load the FBI modules. They really
need to overhaul it, imo.


|
| | > Yeah, software not straight-forward or user friendly. Modem was
| > difficult to find or expensive to buy. It took me days to figure out
| > my Vista 20P on the Compass, trying to figure out what on the screen
| > related to what in the programming docs. I program computers, not
| > panels. Alarm panels have a logic of their own and the Compass
| > software doesn't even follow much computer programming logic :)
| >
|
| And it's designed to run in Windows 3.1, gotta love those ancient 16-bit
| applications.
|
| Even so it's in my opinion the best overall downloading software available
|
|
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Robertm said:
I agree I may have made a wrong assumption, but that does not mean that
every wrong comment must be associated with Mr. Bass.

Oh yes it does. He's a slime bucket, contiuously disrupting this group
for over eight years. Now it doesn't matter what anyone does here
simply because he feels he can do anything he chooses to anyone, at his
whim. His comment when chastized for doing his nasty deeds is: "you
don't control this group and don't have any say in what anyone does of
doesn't do here. If you don't like it you're welcome to leave" We'll if
that's the attitude of even ONE participant in this group then it has
to serve every one else too. Therefore, any time he does ANYTHING AT
ALL. Anytime there is even the remotest oppotunity to kick him in the
ass ..... to put him down, to discredit him by posting all of the nasty
rotten things he's done to people here, through the years, it's going
to be done. If he feels he can do anything to anyone at any time
without concern or remorse, than so be it. Anyone else can, and will do
the very same thing. And why not? He's destroyed this Newsgroup for
YEARS with is petty picking on people while being the worst
transgressor of any form of social contract, both here and in his
personal life.


I have not transacted
any business with Mr. Bass. I have no association with Mr. Bass. Any
discussion I've had with Mr. Bass has been posted on the NG and open for
anyone to read. Your reasoning is that you disagree with Mr. Bass, therefore
if you disagree with anyone, they must be a Mr. Bass customer or friend or
whatever.

No, that WASN'T, my point in my reply to you. And I don't really care
one way or the other whether you did or didn't do business with the fat
pig. The point was, that there wasn't any indication that the OP was or
wasn't an end user and since he'd stated that he'd already had a copy
of the software, it was a resonable assumption to make that he was a
dealer.

H O W E V E R. If he had been in contact with Fat ASS, then it would
have been reasonable to assume that he WAS an end user, because Fat ASS
has no reservations at all of giving the dealer software to ANYONE who
asks for it. Whether he was or not, I really don't give a crap. It was
simply one more taken opportunity to shove it right back up Bass' ass.
ONE MORE TIME.
Paranoia? Mr. Bass lurking behind every rock and tree?

Not in the least. Regardless of what anyone says, revenge is sweet.
It's a great pleasure to me and to the majority of participants in this
Newsgroup to see this fat bag of shit get his just rewards. There isn't
one soul here, who doesn't agree with the fact that he's the reason
this group is in the chaos that it's in. He does what he does here, on
purpose and has garnered the emnity of every one he's ever come in
contact with. You tell me Bob, do you think it's merely a coincidence
that there are so many people who dislike this SOB? Do you think it's a
coincidence that he's been thrown out of Newsgroups before, for doing
the VERY SAME THING AS HE DOES HERE? You want to take a trip down dija
vue lane and look in the Aviation group that he was thrown out of so
many years ago for doing EXACTLY what he does here? You want to see the
posts where he's gone real life with people and says that he "enjoys"
doing that to people? Would you like to see the forged derogatory posts
he made on a competitors website? How about where he actually stole a
report from someone, claimed it as his own and then held it for ransom,
if they'd let him participate in the group again? And, how many people
do you know that's a convicted felon for a gun crime and is also
responsible for someones death? Is this a normal person Bob? The real
question Bob ...Is this someone who should be allowed to participate in
society much less a mere Newsgroup?

So, least there be any mistake, on your part, about where I stand on
this matter, let me quote something that at one time I would have never
considerd doing ..... but as you can see, under the circumstances it is
only just.

"you don't control this group and don't have any say in what anyone
does or doesn't do here. If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave"

Ya get it Bob?

My VERY stong suggestion to you is. Stay out of it! You will be long
gone from this Newsgroup and this will continue until the fat slob dies
of a heart attack, which will be sooner, rather than later.
 
Guys, if they really cared about the security of the software they
would assign personal logins, the fact that they have 1 user login for
everyone, means its not that big a deal, at least not to them. Besides
like I said before, you dont need a login to get to that download page,
its so so amateur.

As for the software, i program also, and did PC work back then when i
first used it, its very basic software and simple to use (once you have
some basic understanding of their panel language), like some one else
said, designed for windows 3.1 probably. Getting the right modem to
work with it was another task but figured that out easy enough,
ofcourse now you can just buy a modem with the Compass name on it . To
get compass back then we had to download it from "another" distributors
javascript "secured" login page .. LOL ...

But it does the job, and thats what counts.

IMO for a major manufacturer like, well even when it was Ademco, but
now Honeywell, it can be 100 times better.

Software is not always a priority of manufacturers though, so unless
they start subbing the programming out, which I doubt they will as
their code will then be comprimised, we are stuck with what we gets.

Anwyay, I dont see a problem with certain clients having the software,
if they bought an Alarm panel, and want to make changes themselves - eg
- self monitored - then they buy the software and a modem, and figure
it out, heck ill show them how to use it for a charge :) But i have
alot of better things to do. ..

I have even set up mini central stations at security guard booths here
for gated communities, using Surguard and the same CMS software our CMS
uses, ofcourse its not cheap and takes a while to teach them how to use
it. It is used as the second CMS number, the first goes to the main CMS.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
Cripes Mark, what does that say about all the other downloading software. It
can't all be bad....

RHC


Even so it's in my opinion the best overall downloading software
available

This is the way I look at it

Compass = Old 16-bit program developed for Windows 3.1, incredible database
as far as finding panels by type, revision of that type, phone etc and the
database itself is not that big, mine had over 200,000 accounts that took up
maybe 300 megs. It also covers every panel Ademco/FBI/Apex made in the last
15 years. The unattended upload capability is incredible

DSC = 32-bit Windows program, very nice interface, easy to create an
account, templates are awsome, the ability to download only parts of
programming that were changed in incredible and I do like the way it handles
modules however the database is a bloated mess, I have I guess 30,000
accounts (its a guess because unlike Compass you have no way of finding out
the total number of accounts) and the frigging database is 6 GIG's! Get over
100 or so accounts in a folder and it CRAWLS, the only way around that is to
create more folders, can't search the database for shit. No support for
other modems unless you get the beta patch and even then most of the modems
in that don't work. I also find that for some reason under XP half my
computers can't call the older 1550/2550/3000 panels because it can't
properly initialize the modem, works fine for 1555/5010/4020 family tho).
DSC needs to include all the old modems from DLS-1 by default and make one
nice big database instead of saving each panel in 4 individual files which
is why it's so slow

DSC = The old DOS software worked fine in Windows 95/98 but on most of my
computers is slow updating the screen under XP and half the time can't
initialize the modem

Napco = Big piece of shit interface, looks like someone from the 70's on
acid designed it although it is getting better, still can't do
MA1008LKDL/1010LKDL/2600 panels which to me is kinda stupid. At least they
added the 1000e/1008e in the last update which helps. Doesn't look like you
can search the database very well.

Paradox = Windows software that only works full screen which is annoying,
confusing interface, stupid arrow to select uploading or downloading,
doesn't support Esprit panels, I have no idea how well it does with a lot of
accounts since I almost never deal with the brand.

GE/ITI = Toolbox which works okay until you get a hundred or so accounts in
the database then it crawls, Why they haven't figured out how to
arm/disarm/check status with it is beyond me.

GE/ITI = Enterprise which is the new stuff and at the moment only supports
Allegro/Simon 2/Simon 3/Concord Express panels is awsome once its up and
running but still buggy as hell and far too complex for someone to setup on
a local machine Excellent search capability and the database is tiny
compared to everything else, mostly because it uses Microsoft's SQL server
software.

GE/Caddx = I like this software, search capability is very good, database is
small, seems simple to use. Painfully slow uploading alpha keypads but thats
caused by the panel not the software, has never crashed on me however it
doesn't support older Caddx panels like the 8000/9000 series.

HAI Home Automation = Simple and really only designed for a few accounts, I
haven't played with it much

Radionics = RAM IV Windows based, works well but slightly crappy search

Radionics = Ram II DOS based that doesn't work at all in XP, didn't work all
that well in 95/98

Now the fun ones

AT&T 8300 = DOS based yet works well under XP, no database just individual
files for each account

AT&T 8000 = DOS based, works under 95/98 but locks up after a minute under
XP, no idea why

Linear DVS = Windows based, works okay, no searching the database at all
since it uses individual files for each account. Entire program locks up for
over a minute if you try aborting a call, they just added the ability to
upload an event buffer (?)

Linear CP-90 = Dos based, worked like shit in Windows 95, doesn't work in
XP, can't even save an account...good thing they finally killed off that
panel, runs full screen and don't even try switching to a different screen
or it locks up the display

C&K = ....uhhh the less said the better

Moose = The disks make a nice buffer between panels in a boat anchor chain,
keeps em from banging into each other as they settle on the bottom of the
lake

I could go on and on but the problem as always is less than 5% of alarm
installers upload their panels and the industry isn't going to invest
millions in software development for that tiny number and thats why compared
to other Windows programs the stuff we use is crap
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash Gordon said:
I dunno I'm kina partial to Remote Link as you can work live with panel
programming changes you don't have to upload save download save...blah blah
blah.

But Compass is much better than some of the other ones I've used in the
past. Compass is goofy though when you load the FBI modules. They really
need to overhaul it, imo.

Only problem I've seen with FBI modules is it sometimes give a strange error
box that doesn't appear to do any harm but stays in memory, I also forgot
about Compass sometimes GPF's (Windows error) and won't work normally until
you reboot the computer although thats pretty rare.

The overhaul is coming soon...very soon
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Yah, I figured Homeywell would probably update it. Lemme know what you hear.


|
| | > I dunno I'm kina partial to Remote Link as you can work live with panel
| > programming changes you don't have to upload save download save...blah
| blah
| > blah.
| >
| > But Compass is much better than some of the other ones I've used in the
| > past. Compass is goofy though when you load the FBI modules. They really
| > need to overhaul it, imo.
|
| Only problem I've seen with FBI modules is it sometimes give a strange
error
| box that doesn't appear to do any harm but stays in memory, I also forgot
| about Compass sometimes GPF's (Windows error) and won't work normally
until
| you reboot the computer although thats pretty rare.
|
| The overhaul is coming soon...very soon
|
|
 
Yeah, and when you get disconnected, loose the whole panel and have to
redownload .. Arghhh. They still can do a whole lot better on the
design, not to mention the database, seeing as alot of of users will
have tons of accounts. Text files can be kind of slow also .. Id think
MySql or even SQL server can do the job. But you need a decent PC and
rock solid software.

Mark Leuck, thats a great review btw :)
 
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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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Im beta testing the 32 bit software its confusing at first but its packed
with many more features.
I like what i see in it.
--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor

Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
Staff Editor www.securitymission.com
Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
Senior Affilliate www.nbfd.us
Contributor www.monyoughfire.com
Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.

"To error is human to realy foul things up requires a computer"

Irish Diplomacy

The ability to tell a man to go to hell and he tells you how much he is
looking forward to taking the trip.
 
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