New Plug-in Electric Car Company

[Rob Mitchell]

A new American Made plug in electric car

http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2008-09-05.7581517191/groupaction_view


Here is an opportunity to contribute to American independance from
foriegn oil. It's time American designed and built an all electric
vehicle that runs off of inexpensive American plug -in electric power.
You can show your support with a contribution as small as $10 dollars.
Become one of the first to support our future in a tangible way.






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[Robert]

Here's a real electric car company:

http://hybrids-plus.com/

I just woner by looking at the size of plug, what is the voltage requied

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Here's a real electric car company:

http://hybrids-plus.com/

Here's the real deal - 220 miles per charge
http://www.teslamotors.com/

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Martin Riddle]

| donald wrote:
| > Freelance Embedded Systems Engineer wrote:
| >> Rob Mitchell wrote:
| >>> A new American Made plug in electric car
| >>> http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2008-09-05.7581517191/groupaction_view
| >>>
| >>> Here is an opportunity to contribute to American independance from
| >>> foriegn oil. It's time American designed and built an all electric
| >>> vehicle that runs off of inexpensive American plug -in electric power.
| >>> You can show your support with a contribution as small as $10 dollars.
| >>> Become one of the first to support our future in a tangible way.
| >>
| >> Why would I contribute to anything that does not identify the people
| >> involved; or their concept or business plan; location; or issuing
| >> shares for that matter. Smells of a scam.
| >
| > Here's a real electric car company:
| >
| > http://hybrids-plus.com/
|
| Here's the real deal - 220 miles per charge
| http://www.teslamotors.com/
|
I really like this car, except for the $110k price tag

Cheers

 

[[email protected]]

| > Freelance Embedded Systems Engineer wrote:
| >> Rob Mitchell wrote:
| >>> A new American Made plug in electric car
| >>>http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2008-09-05.758151719...
| >>>
| >>> Here is an opportunity to contribute to American independance from
| >>> foriegn oil. It's time American designed and built an all electric
| >>> vehicle that runs off of inexpensive American plug -in electric power.
| >>> You can show your support with a contribution as small as $10 dollars.
| >>> Become one of the first to support our future in a tangible way.
| >>
| >> Why would I contribute to anything that does not identify the people
| >> involved; or their concept or business plan; location; or issuing
| >> shares for that matter. Smells of a scam.
| >
| > Here's a real electric car company:
| >
| >http://hybrids-plus.com/
|
| Here's the real deal - 220 miles per charge
|http://www.teslamotors.com/
|
I really like this car, except for the $110k price tag

Cheers

around here the tax on cars is about 180%, but electric
cars are exempt, $110K would be the prise of something like
a 3 series BMW

the tesla is the first electric car that isn't ugly and slow,
if more were electric cars were like it, there's hope

-Lasse

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

| donald wrote:
| > Freelance Embedded Systems Engineer wrote:
| >> Rob Mitchell wrote:
| >>> A new American Made plug in electric car
| >>> http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2008-09-05.7581517191/groupaction_view
| >>>
| >>> Here is an opportunity to contribute to American independance from
| >>> foriegn oil. It's time American designed and built an all electric
| >>> vehicle that runs off of inexpensive American plug -in electric power.
| >>> You can show your support with a contribution as small as $10 dollars.
| >>> Become one of the first to support our future in a tangible way.
| >>
| >> Why would I contribute to anything that does not identify the people
| >> involved; or their concept or business plan; location; or issuing
| >> shares for that matter. Smells of a scam.
| >
| > Here's a real electric car company:
| >
| > http://hybrids-plus.com/
|
| Here's the real deal - 220 miles per charge
| http://www.teslamotors.com/
|

I really like this car, except for the $110k price tag

The price tag really isn't that bad for a hand built car. But it shows
what can be done in future at a lot lower cost.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

around here the tax on cars is about 180%, but electric
cars are exempt, $110K would be the prise of something like
a 3 series BMW

the tesla is the first electric car that isn't ugly and slow,
if more were electric cars were like it, there's hope

-Lasse

IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP seems to fit the
bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+ miles with
an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good enough for
most people.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[TheM]

IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP seems to fit the bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+
miles with an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good enough for most people.

Except for the sky-high price.

M

 

[Eeyore]

IMO the battery tech has finally been sorted. LiFeP

Info where ? All I see is laptop and smaller batteries.

seems to fit the
bill perfectly. Any improvements from now on is a bonus. 200+ miles with
an overnight recharge and a 5000 deep discharge life is good enough for
most people.

A 200 mile range will put a clamp on most people's holiday plans.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote

I either saw or read something (can't recall ) to the effect that, in
addition to a battery, and in addition to being rechargeable via plug, a car
can be outfitted with a very small gas-sipping motor that recharges the
batteries when they get low.

I'm not sure if this a joke or not but yes, they're called series hybrids. A
sub1 litre engine (diesel for best efficiency) is probably all that's needed
since it only has to provide *average* power not peak power for acceleration.

You might also like to look at this.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/0...opel-flextreme-concept-has-ultra-low-emissio/

I understand it is now in production status, targeted for 2012/3 release. Just
get rid of those stupid Segways.

Graham

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Except for the sky-high price.

You don't think the price will drop moving from hundreds to millions of
production units?

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Info where ? All I see is laptop and smaller batteries.



A 200 mile range will put a clamp on most people's holiday plans.

This year there were only 2 days where I drove more than 150 miles -
holidays. I'd hire a petrol car for the week.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Info where ? All I see is laptop and smaller batteries.

http://www.a123systems.com/
http://www.a123systems.com/#/technology/power/

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

I'm not sure if this a joke or not but yes, they're called series hybrids. A
sub1 litre engine (diesel for best efficiency) is probably all that's needed
since it only has to provide *average* power not peak power for acceleration.

You might also like to look at this.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/0...opel-flextreme-concept-has-ultra-low-emissio/

I understand it is now in production status, targeted for 2012/3 release. Just
get rid of those stupid Segways.

Graham

The Segways indicate that it will be very high price.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

How will they sell enough at over $100,000 each to drive the price
down?

They won't as far as the Tesla car is concerned.
But there's no inherent reason why a practical electric car should cost
any more than a normal one.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Yup, IIRC it pretty much just serves to "top off" the battery.

So I guess it's basically just spinning a copper coil and magnet rotor to
create the charge...? (I dunno - Newbie/Learner here, not an EE )



Cool link

THe comments are "interesting" - not one person suggested doing what some
people are already doing - setting up a solar panel to generate electricity
for the electric car (and the rest going towards powering the house). THe
point isn't so much what ti all costs *now*, but what it will cost (and how
that cost will compare with grid-eelctricity proces) when thei scomes on
line. Especially if both candiates are honest about incrasing RR& and mfg
of renewable energy technologies.

All in all, more people seem to be dedicated to shooting down ideas, rather
than putting any thought into how new technologies can be made workable -
if such naysayers had gotten their way some years ago, we wouldn't be
communicating over the internet (or even have desktop computers, never
miond laptops).

I can just imagine what it was like when the wheel was invented - "Now,
Zog, WTF is *that* dumbass POS? You are such a f*ckttard moron, who the
hell is goign to use that, when they can just use a travois?"



Actually, I like the Hatchback overall, but not the window extending over
the driver's head - I'd probably have it tinted, tho', because I don't want
the have the hot sun beating down on my head . I've had a Honda
hatchback (back in the late 1980's) and a Probe hatchback (1990 model,
which had a *lot* of room, unlike the later models - I liked that car best
of all I had, except that it was bloody expensive to fix, since it had a
Mazda engine).

At any rate, the article did not say that the Segways are *incldued*, just
that there is a space, with a charging outlet, for 2 of them. IMO, tho',
that ought to be optional. AlthoughI suppose someone will come up withthe
idea of making an emergency diesel-fuel can that will fit into the space

It still seems like a foot-dragging gimmick designed to test the waters
and keep the regulators at bay.
Why is it so difficult to replace the engine with an electric motor and
the fuel tank with (say) 200kg of LiFeP battery (about 20 kWh) in a
small car for a range of around 150km? That covers the vast majority of
journeys most people make in a day.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

 

[T]

I just woner by looking at the size of plug, what is the voltage requied

Too funny. Plug-in hybrids do seem to get better mileage but nobody
looks at the offset which is higher usage rates of electricity.

 

[T]

You don't think the price will drop moving from hundreds to millions of
production units?

Sure the price will drop as they automate the assembly of the vehicle.
That's what gets me about regular car prices, alot of the car is put
together by machines these days. Yet the prices don't seem to come down
much.

 

[T]

This year there were only 2 days where I drove more than 150 miles -
holidays. I'd hire a petrol car for the week.

Hmm, I have relatives in North Carolina and Florida. The NC route is
doable at 580 miles from here, but not sure about the Florida side of
the equation.

All I want and will have soon enough is something that gets 40MPG or
greater on the highways. Then a little 8 or 12 gallon tank will get me
anywhere from 320 to 480 miles based on that 40MPG.

So the trip to NC will cost about $50. A lot cheaper than flying and
less hassle these days.

 

[TheM]

You don't think the price will drop moving from hundreds to millions of production units?

If electric car makes a significant dent into oil consumption, oil prices will drop
making them a less sensible option.

When millions of electric cars hit the road, the cost of electricity will rise accordingly
due to lack of supply. Can't build all those nukes over night.

Tesla is a light sedan, family car needs a lot more KWh. And a comparable range to ICE.

It will be long years before electric cars enter into mainstream.

M