Compass Software

[Mark Leuck]

Its on the dialer screen

Not initially, I just click on the Daily button (forget which screen just
now) and then go and adjust the time on the schedule.

of

 

[Mark Leuck]

ahah, so I shouldn't be using the first time connect , cross fingers
checkbox every time I try to connect? Sometimes it just seems the only one
that works.

The first time connect is used if you don't have a CSID programmed into the
panel, if you did then you'd use the other selection

 

[Crash Gordon]

No, she's of Czechish descent Czech-Irish...but it doesn't matter they're
all from the same damn place.



message |
| | > That would be the Your Always Wrong Period Period.
|
|
| Your wife must be from Scotland too... )
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

on the first time.

after that I use Account Number selection - I don't use the CSID since no
one could contact it without an account number and no one knows that but me.
Then I lock keypad programming. That should be good enough right?


|
| | > | > >
| > > | > > > Nabob, vista15pcn, don't use a lot of them but last 3 I bought this
| > summer
| > > > do the same thing. I just do the workaround thing but maddening
| > > nonetheless.
| > > > I can pick a time with DSC and download just that. Compass is so
| > tedious,
| > > > I'm just not getting the hang of it, I keep forgeting to close
| > > communication
| > > > before trying to exit, I never remember which way to connect that
| works
| > > > reliably, things like that, drives me nuts but I like the panels and
| the
| > > > wireless.
| > >
| > > Oh hell mikey thats the problem, you use the Canadian version of the
15P
| >
| > >
| > > As far as the speed of the download it's only slow the first time you
| > upload
| > > it, after that its fairly fast
| > >
| >
| > ahah, so I shouldn't be using the first time connect , cross fingers
| > checkbox every time I try to connect? Sometimes it just seems the only
one
| > that works.
|
| The first time connect is used if you don't have a CSID programmed into
the
| panel, if you did then you'd use the other selection
|
|

 

[mikey]

where do you do that? I thought the software just updated it when you
connected, the plot thickens

 

[mikey]

D'Oh, I just realized I don't use the CSID either, what the hell is it
anyways?
all I see is a bunch of Fs

 

[Mark Leuck]

I don't see any reason to go any farther than that

 

[Nomen Nescio]

Crash Gordon said:

after that I use Account Number selection - I don't use the CSID since no
one could contact it without an account number and no one knows that but me.
Then I lock keypad programming. That should be good enough right?

Why would you not want to use the CSID? You use the Remote Key value on
your DMP accounts, don't you?

Who knows the account number besides you? Your customer. Any central
station operator. Your service techs. It doesn't cost you anything to use
the CSID, and it vastly increases the security.

- badenov

 

[Crash Gordon]

Yah, I use the Remote Key on DMP. You know DMP too? I thought Jack and I
were about the only ones here.

I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know their
account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS operators
yes.

Can I add the CSID on the fly, while online with the panel?...maybe that's
why I never did add them...I wasn't comfortable with the process???


| Crash Gordon said:
|
| >after that I use Account Number selection - I don't use the CSID since
no
| >one could contact it without an account number and no one knows that but
me.
| >Then I lock keypad programming. That should be good enough right?
|
| Why would you not want to use the CSID? You use the Remote Key value on
| your DMP accounts, don't you?
|
| Who knows the account number besides you? Your customer. Any central
| station operator. Your service techs. It doesn't cost you anything to
use
| the CSID, and it vastly increases the security.
|
| - badenov
|

 

[Mark Leuck]

Yah, I use the Remote Key on DMP. You know DMP too? I thought Jack and I
were about the only ones here.

I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know their
account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS operators
yes.

Can I add the CSID on the fly, while online with the panel?...maybe that's
why I never did add them...I wasn't comfortable with the process???

Yes you can

 

[Crash Gordon]

otay...I may just do that...thanks!



|
| | > Yah, I use the Remote Key on DMP. You know DMP too? I thought Jack and I
| > were about the only ones here.
| >
| > I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know
| their
| > account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS
operators
| > yes.
| >
| > Can I add the CSID on the fly, while online with the panel?...maybe
that's
| > why I never did add them...I wasn't comfortable with the process???
|
| Yes you can
|
|
|

 

[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: Compass Software
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms

I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know their
account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS operators
yes.

How do your service techs 'service' without knowing the account #?

 

[Frank Olson]

Subject: Re: Compass Software
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms


How do your service techs 'service' without knowing the account #?

They use "the Force", young whipper-snapper... Mind you, you may call
*your* favourite screwdriver by another name... )

 

[Nomen Nescio]

Crash Gordon said:

Yah, I use the Remote Key on DMP. You know DMP too? I thought Jack and I
were about the only ones here.

I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know their
account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS operators
yes.

Can I add the CSID on the fly, while online with the panel?...maybe that's
why I never did add them...I wasn't comfortable with the process???

I have a love/hate relationship with DMP. Some things, they do
exceptionally well, like the 714/715 loop expanders in nice metal boxes.
But on the other hand, it annoys me that after all these years, DMP still
doesn't have a watch/chime feature. Among other things.

Remember that the CSID is just another program entry. You can change it
just like any other program item. For new accounts, go to File>Station
Data, and enter your selected CSID, which will become a default program
entry for all future panels. I think checking the "Write CSID on Download
All" box will probably save you from having to edit each existing
individual panel program, but I've never tried that. If necessary, for an
existing account, copy the panel, save, edit the CSID by clicking the "View
CSID" button on the dialer page, save, and download.

The CSID is your main security against other people who have copies of
Compass. If you think about it for a moment, you'll see that the account
number is easy enough to get. Just think of the damage someone could do
to your accounts with their own copy of Compass. Use the CSID, and if you
allow operators to download, you can set up their access privileges so they
can't even see the CSID.

- badenov

 

[Crash Gordon]

Sorry they doo, I was thinking of the Remote Key on DMP. Yah they do know
Ademco account numbers....you're right...I should use CSID. Damn. Yah I
found out the hard way a few years back with rogue installer...what a
nightmare.

I'm pretty safe though right now since I'm the only one that's been doing
the quickie Ademco stuff.


| Subject: Re: Compass Software
| Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
| => Crash Gordon <= wrote:
|
| >I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know
their
| >account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS
operators
| >yes.
|
| How do your service techs 'service' without knowing the account #?
|
|
| --
|
| -Graham
|
| Remove the snails to email
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

inline...

| Crash Gordon said:
|
| >Yah, I use the Remote Key on DMP. You know DMP too? I thought Jack and I
| >were about the only ones here.
| >
| >I guess I thought the CSID wasn't necessary...no my clients don't know
their
| >account number, no need for it these days. Service techs no...CS
operators
| >yes.
| >
| >Can I add the CSID on the fly, while online with the panel?...maybe
that's
| >why I never did add them...I wasn't comfortable with the process???
|
|
| I have a love/hate relationship with DMP. Some things, they do
| exceptionally well, like the 714/715 loop expanders in nice metal boxes.
| But on the other hand, it annoys me that after all these years, DMP still
| doesn't have a watch/chime feature. Among other things.

Sure they do...Zone Monitor on newer panels, Loop Monitor on the older...and
it's always been by Perimeter, All or by Zone(s) selectable.


|
| Remember that the CSID is just another program entry. You can change it
| just like any other program item. For new accounts, go to File>Station
| Data, and enter your selected CSID, which will become a default program
| entry for all future panels. I think checking the "Write CSID on Download
| All" box will probably save you from having to edit each existing
| individual panel program, but I've never tried that. If necessary, for an
| existing account, copy the panel, save, edit the CSID by clicking the
"View
| CSID" button on the dialer page, save, and download.


|
| The CSID is your main security against other people who have copies of
| Compass. If you think about it for a moment, you'll see that the account
| number is easy enough to get. Just think of the damage someone could do
| to your accounts with their own copy of Compass. Use the CSID, and if you
| allow operators to download, you can set up their access privileges so
they
| can't even see the CSID.

Yah thanks for wakin me up. Yes, I know about being damaged...that's why
only my son and I know the codes and are the only ones that do any remote
programming. I guess I'll spend the next few nights setting CSID codes.

Thanks man.




|
| - badenov
|
|

 

[Nomen Nescio]

Crash Gordon said:

Sure they do...Zone Monitor on newer panels, Loop Monitor on the older...and
it's always been by Perimeter, All or by Zone(s) selectable.

Try it on an area system sometime. There isn't any Perimeter selection,
just All or Number. Example: office/warehouse system with more than one
perimeter door in the office. Your choices are: put all zones, including
motions, on zone monitor, or put each individual zone on zone monitor, by
number, each time you want to use the feature. Dumb.

- badenov

 

[Crash Gordon]

I don't use area systems, it makes it too complicated for the user...but
next time I program a panel I check it out. I tend to use partitions instead
of areas...much simplier to use that way.


| Crash Gordon said:
|
| >Sure they do...Zone Monitor on newer panels, Loop Monitor on the
older...and
| >it's always been by Perimeter, All or by Zone(s) selectable.
|
| Try it on an area system sometime. There isn't any Perimeter selection,
| just All or Number. Example: office/warehouse system with more than one
| perimeter door in the office. Your choices are: put all zones, including
| motions, on zone monitor, or put each individual zone on zone monitor, by
| number, each time you want to use the feature. Dumb.
|
| - badenov
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

f's mean it's empty you're not using CSID.

it's a lock code so someone with Compass can't hack into client panel...it's
not visible in manual programming on the newer panels but it's there and
visible when you connect with Compass - it'll be all F's if you're not using
it.

Let's say you do a takeover and don't clear the csid with *96 then even you
cannot remotely connect with Compass because the old company may have been
using csid...but you got into programming on site because keypad programming
was NOT disabled. You'd have to go back out and manually clear the CSID,
then back to the office and use Compass to connect. (I've done this a couple
of times)




| D'Oh, I just realized I don't use the CSID either, what the hell is it
| anyways?
| all I see is a bunch of Fs
|
| | > on the first time.
| >
| > after that I use Account Number selection - I don't use the CSID since
no
| > one could contact it without an account number and no one knows that but
| me.
| > Then I lock keypad programming. That should be good enough right?
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | | > | > | > | > >
| > | > > | > | > > > Nabob, vista15pcn, don't use a lot of them but last 3 I bought
| this
| > | > summer
| > | > > > do the same thing. I just do the workaround thing but maddening
| > | > > nonetheless.
| > | > > > I can pick a time with DSC and download just that. Compass is so
| > | > tedious,
| > | > > > I'm just not getting the hang of it, I keep forgeting to close
| > | > > communication
| > | > > > before trying to exit, I never remember which way to connect
that
| > | works
| > | > > > reliably, things like that, drives me nuts but I like the panels
| and
| > | the
| > | > > > wireless.
| > | > >
| > | > > Oh hell mikey thats the problem, you use the Canadian version of
the
| > 15P
| > | >
| > | > >
| > | > > As far as the speed of the download it's only slow the first time
| you
| > | > upload
| > | > > it, after that its fairly fast
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | > ahah, so I shouldn't be using the first time connect , cross fingers
| > | > checkbox every time I try to connect? Sometimes it just seems the
only
| > one
| > | > that works.
| > |
| > | The first time connect is used if you don't have a CSID programmed
into
| > the
| > | panel, if you did then you'd use the other selection
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[mikey]

For Pete's sake... I thought it was something for CallerID or some such.
It's just a panel access code. Jeeeeez, glad I don't have too many of them,
guess I better get my ass in gear... thanks