Compass Software

[Crash Gordon]

not sure i'm not by my compass machine right now.

manually it's code#64 or #63 cant remember..not enough beer...one is for
schedules, the other for setting the clock. I THINK if you do test by
schedules (rather than the quickie way) then you may need to set the clock.
Mark will know...I'm not at the orifice right now...sorry.





| where do you do that? I thought the software just updated it when you
| connected, the plot thickens
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| | > are you setting the panel's clock?
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Not initially, I just click on the Daily button (forget which screen
| just
| > | now) and then go and adjust the time on the schedule.
| > |
| > | | > | > how are you setting the test...with a scheduled event?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Nabob, vista15pcn, don't use a lot of them but last 3 I bought
this
| > | summer
| > | > | do the same thing. I just do the workaround thing but maddening
| > | > nonetheless.
| > | > | I can pick a time with DSC and download just that. Compass is so
| > | tedious,
| > | > | I'm just not getting the hang of it, I keep forgeting to close
| > | > communication
| > | > | before trying to exit, I never remember which way to connect that
| > works
| > | > | reliably, things like that, drives me nuts but I like the panels
and
| > the
| > | > | wireless.
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > old panel?
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | no, it insists on testing 12 hours from the download or the
| keypad
| > | > | entry.
| > | > | > | When you look at the schedule, it appears that you can edit
the
| > time
| > | > | > | but it does not stick.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | | > | > | > | > No joy as in what? Does it not test when it's supposed to?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > ya well, it shows up on the schedules and I can change the
| > time
| > | > | > | > > and dnload (the whole damn thing) but no joy.
| > | > | > | > > man, I don't know how you can do that day in, day out.
| > | > | > | > > I get 2 hours of it and I'm pulling what's left of my hair
| > out.
| > | > | > | > >
| > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > > > Unless it's a 15P you really can't set the test timer
| > exactly
| > | > | > although
| > | > | > | > > thats
| > | > | > | > > > a function of the panel not the downloader
| > | > | > | > > >
| > | > | > | > > >
| > | > | > | > > > | > | > | > | > > > > Yep, my biggest beef too. That and never getting the
| test
| > | time
| > | > | > right
| > | > | > | > no
| > | > | > | > > > > matter what I do.
| > | > | > | > > > >
| in
| > | > | message
| > | > | > | > > > > | > | > | > | > > > > > And the fact that you cant just change a code and
| > | > upload...you
| > | > | > | gotta
| > | > | > | > > > send
| > | > | > | > > > > > everything.
| > | > | > | > > > > >
| > | > | > | > > > > > Their use of upload/download is also confusing...to
me
| > you
| > | > | > upload
| > | > | > | to
| > | > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > > > > > server, download to my computer,,,,opposite of what
| they
| > | > | > | > have...minor
| > | > | > | > > > > issue
| > | > | > | > > > > > but I have to think everything if I'm doing it right
| (or
| > | > look
| > | > | at
| > | > | > | the
| > | > | > | > > > > bottom
| > | > | > | > > > > > of the screen to confirm).
| > | > | > | > > > > >
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| > | > | > | > | > | > > > > > | Yeah, and when you get disconnected, loose the
whole
| > | panel
| > | > | and
| > | > | > | > have
| > | > | > | > > to
| > | > | > | > > > > > | redownload .. Arghhh. They still can do a whole
lot
| > | > better
| > | > | on
| > | > | > | the
| > | > | > | > > > > > | design, not to mention the database, seeing as
alot
| > of
| > | of
| > | > | > users
| > | > | > | > > will
| > | > | > | > > > > > | have tons of accounts. Text files can be kind of
| slow
| > | > also
| > | > | ..
| > | > | > | Id
| > | > | > | > > > think
| > | > | > | > > > > > | MySql or even SQL server can do the job. But you
| need
| > a
| > | > | decent
| > | > | > | PC
| > | > | > | > > and
| > | > | > | > > > > > | rock solid software.
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| > | > | > | > > > > > | Mark Leuck, thats a great review btw
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[Crash Gordon]

I think it stands for central station id.


| For Pete's sake... I thought it was something for CallerID or some such.
| It's just a panel access code. Jeeeeez, glad I don't have too many of
them,
| guess I better get my ass in gear... thanks
|
| | > f's mean it's empty you're not using CSID.
| >
| > it's a lock code so someone with Compass can't hack into client
| panel...it's
| > not visible in manual programming on the newer panels but it's there and
| > visible when you connect with Compass - it'll be all F's if you're not
| using
| > it.
| >
| > Let's say you do a takeover and don't clear the csid with *96 then even
| you
| > cannot remotely connect with Compass because the old company may have
been
| > using csid...but you got into programming on site because keypad
| programming
| > was NOT disabled. You'd have to go back out and manually clear the CSID,
| > then back to the office and use Compass to connect. (I've done this a
| couple
| > of times)
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | D'Oh, I just realized I don't use the CSID either, what the hell is it
| > | anyways?
| > | all I see is a bunch of Fs
| > |
| > | | > | > on the first time.
| > | >
| > | > after that I use Account Number selection - I don't use the CSID
| since
| > no
| > | > one could contact it without an account number and no one knows that
| but
| > | me.
| > | > Then I lock keypad programming. That should be good enough right?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > >
| > | > | > > | > | > | > > > Nabob, vista15pcn, don't use a lot of them but last 3 I
bought
| > | this
| > | > | > summer
| > | > | > > > do the same thing. I just do the workaround thing but
| maddening
| > | > | > > nonetheless.
| > | > | > > > I can pick a time with DSC and download just that. Compass
is
| so
| > | > | > tedious,
| > | > | > > > I'm just not getting the hang of it, I keep forgeting to
close
| > | > | > > communication
| > | > | > > > before trying to exit, I never remember which way to connect
| > that
| > | > | works
| > | > | > > > reliably, things like that, drives me nuts but I like the
| panels
| > | and
| > | > | the
| > | > | > > > wireless.
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > Oh hell mikey thats the problem, you use the Canadian version
of
| > the
| > | > 15P
| > | > | >
| > | > | > >
| > | > | > > As far as the speed of the download it's only slow the first
| time
| > | you
| > | > | > upload
| > | > | > > it, after that its fairly fast
| > | > | > >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > ahah, so I shouldn't be using the first time connect , cross
| fingers
| > | > | > checkbox every time I try to connect? Sometimes it just seems
the
| > only
| > | > one
| > | > | > that works.
| > | > |
| > | > | The first time connect is used if you don't have a CSID programmed
| > into
| > | > the
| > | > | panel, if you did then you'd use the other selection
| > | > |
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[Frank Olson]

guess I better get my ass in gear...

Try RTFM!! Sheesh!!!

 

[Crash Gordon]

It's too long...and is missing some practical issues.




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| Try RTFM!! Sheesh!!!
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[Crash Gordon]

....and Honeywell must be outsourcing tech help, cause I spent at least 15
minutes on the phone with them this evening and I musta said huh, what,
would you repeat that...at least 30 times. Either my english has gone south
or they ain't speakin' the same dialect.


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| > guess I better get my ass in gear...
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| Try RTFM!! Sheesh!!!
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[Mark Leuck]

mikey there is this thing called a "manual" that comes in pdf form available
from the "manufacturer".

I have to say this and it may offend many here but it's one thing to use
software and another to USE software and it doesn't take much poking around
to figure out how things work.

 

[Mark Leuck]

not sure i'm not by my compass machine right now.

manually it's code#64 or #63 cant remember..not enough beer...one is for
schedules, the other for setting the clock. I THINK if you do test by
schedules (rather than the quickie way) then you may need to set the clock.
Mark will know...I'm not at the orifice right now...sorry.

You have to manually set the clock, the software does not do it although it
will adjust the year on V15P20P panels due to that year bug they had a while
back. It does not however set the actual time

 

[Mark Leuck]

D'Oh, I just realized I don't use the CSID either, what the hell is it
anyways?
all I see is a bunch of Fs

We all had this fun debate years ago (anyone remember Jake?). In my opinion
the CSID is far more important on panels such as DSC than it is with Ademco
since you do have to know the account on Ademco but don't with DSC to
connect.

I personally don't care for CSID's in fact it ends up being a problem later
when a dealer sells the accounts, if I find a panel with one set I always
change it to default

 

[Mark Leuck]

mikey exactly how long have you been downloading panels?

 

[Mark Leuck]

...and Honeywell must be outsourcing tech help, cause I spent at least 15
minutes on the phone with them this evening and I musta said huh, what,
would you repeat that...at least 30 times. Either my english has gone south
or they ain't speakin' the same dialect.

They run it out of Tennessee so I can see the problem you are having
understanding them

 

[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: Compass Software
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms

They use "the Force", young whipper-snapper... Mind you, you may call
*your* favourite screwdriver by another name... )

I hope you don't talk to it in front of your customers.... They'll take you
away ha- ha- he- he- who- who --

 

[G. Morgan]

Subject: Re: Compass Software
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms

Sorry they doo, I was thinking of the Remote Key on DMP. Yah they do know
Ademco account numbers....you're right...I should use CSID. Damn. Yah I
found out the hard way a few years back with rogue installer...what a
nightmare.

I'm pretty safe though right now since I'm the only one that's been doing
the quickie Ademco stuff.

Okey-dokey.

 

[Frank Olson]

Subject: Re: Compass Software
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms



I hope you don't talk to it in front of your customers.... They'll take
you
away ha- ha- he- he- who- who --

As long as they stay on *their* side of the counter, I talk to 'em any way I
want... )

 

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CSIDs

cant say it doesnt suck

 

[Frank Olson]

CSIDs

cant say it doesnt suck

Why would you *not* use it?? That's like leaving the "barn door" open...
I've never had the problem "Crash" had with an employee in the 22 years I've
been in the business and I sincerely hope I never will. I've worked with
companies that employed a single installer code for all their systems and
often wondered (at the time) what "the other guys" did. We use a formula
based on the account code so that every installer code is unique. That info
is downloaded to the panel when it's first booted up. The installers test
it in and that's that.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Tennessee???? This wasn't no southern accent ! ))

Seriously, it was embarassing, he sounded like a nice guy and probably
(maybe) knew what he was talking about...but I couldn't understand half of
what he was saying. I ended up calling back later and got someone who spoke
my dialect.



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| | > ...and Honeywell must be outsourcing tech help, cause I spent at least
15
| > minutes on the phone with them this evening and I musta said huh, what,
| > would you repeat that...at least 30 times. Either my english has gone
| south
| > or they ain't speakin' the same dialect.
|
| They run it out of Tennessee so I can see the problem you are having
| understanding them
|
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|

 

[Mark Leuck]

Tennessee???? This wasn't no southern accent ! ))

Seriously, it was embarassing, he sounded like a nice guy and probably
(maybe) knew what he was talking about...but I couldn't understand half of
what he was saying. I ended up calling back later and got someone who spoke
my dialect.

Yea thats Tennessee alright, the second guy musta been an import

 

[Mark Leuck]

Why would you *not* use it?? That's like leaving the "barn door" open...
I've never had the problem "Crash" had with an employee in the 22 years I've
been in the business and I sincerely hope I never will. I've worked with
companies that employed a single installer code for all their systems and
often wondered (at the time) what "the other guys" did. We use a formula
based on the account code so that every installer code is unique. That info
is downloaded to the panel when it's first booted up. The installers test
it in and that's that.

It's companies like that which gave me nightmares in my P1 days because they
like selling accounts and "forget" to tell those companies what the CSID is.
One big one that P1 had purchased.

 

[mikey]

what fucking manual? where? I would have downloaded that
nevermind, found it.
**** you anyways, Frank, you talk too much.
Thanks, Mark

 

[mikey]

We all had this fun debate years ago (anyone remember Jake?). In my opinion
the CSID is far more important on panels such as DSC than it is with Ademco
since you do have to know the account on Ademco but don't with DSC to
connect.

I personally don't care for CSID's in fact it ends up being a problem later
when a dealer sells the accounts, if I find a panel with one set I always
change it to default

Well, far fucking out, the damn manual is 144 pages long too. I ain't going
thru all that shit if they have to know the account number. Mark taketh and
Mark giveth away, thanks amigo.