New Plug-in Electric Car Company

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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I hope your not an engineer.

I hope you're not an educator.

So, back to the subject - what exactly do you have that backs up your
claims? If you can't present anything, then you are nothing but another
blowhard.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
stunningly safe, end of story. Not cheap in the USA for sure AIUI though.

It's the type of people who buy them that gives that image.

Here, they have a reputation of being driven by successful professionals and almost invariably very
courteously driven. So much so that other drivers will let you into a line of traffic when you're in a Saab.
BMW driver ? No chance.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
courteously driven. So much so that other drivers will let you into a line of traffic when > you're in a Saab.

And of course you give them a wave to indicate your appreciation. Just shows how good manners makes a difference.

BMW drivers try to force their way into heavy traffic around here.

Ditto here. Sorry to hear your Saab drivers are no better.

More bad drivers. Almost as bad as the little rice burners with the
high piched soup can mufflers and loud stereos.

Assholes. Utter and complete. With the lowered body kits and underside lighting too ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
courteously driven. So much so that other drivers will let you into a line of > > > traffic when you're in a Saab.

That is considered road rage, and would get you arrested.

Good Lord ! Are you serious. It's common practice here to acknowledge being allowed through in dense traffic. It's
almost considered rude not to. It helpes create a low tension atmosphere.

Most of the people driving these brands are retired New Yorkers for
the 'big apple' who never drove until they retired.

That wouldn't help for sure.

You should see what a Saab can do in experienced hands. There's plenty on you tube.

If they have the money. the morons put $35,000 into a screwed up car
& sound system, then can't pay their rent.

Weird isn't it ? Over here you get a lot of Asians (read Pakis mainly) do that. Plenty of money since they still live
with mummy and daddy (the culture thing).

Graham
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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By our nature, we are more polite, less war-mongering etc.


BWAAAHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH! You are a piece of work! ...but thanks
for the laugh!
If you care to call that weenie so be it.

No, but the leftist part is pure weenieism.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
[email protected] says...

BWAAAHHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH! You are a piece of work! ...but thanks
for the laugh!

Would you care to elaborate on that ? The British Empire (if that's what you had
in mind) was built far more on trade than any wars. More like minor skirmishes
in most cases.

And WE ARE more polite.

Graham
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Cites? Have you ever paid to have a large electric motor rebuilt?

I currently pay around $350 every 9000 miles for a "routine" service.
I've just paid $1200 to fix a turbo that failed.
Are you saying electric motors are less reliable *and* cost more to fix
than an IC engine rebuild?

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
How ?

And you're wrong about gasoline engines too. Look at gasoline direct
injection for example. Big marine diesels can already exceed 50% thermal
efficiency and with heat recovery, could do better still.

Let's assume the miraculous and IC engine efficiency hits 60%. We both
know that the cost is not going to plummet on that engine. Solar PV
generation OTOH has price reductions of potentially orders of magnitude.
Ask yourself - do you honestly believe that a sq m of thin film PV will
forever cost $1000? Or might it one day be knocked out in China for $10?

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
I have replaced one radiator, and one clutch in almost 40 years of
driving. The motors in EVs at highway speeds have no track record yet.

I've replaced one engine because of water pump failure, and damaged
another (different cars).
I have also gone through 2 radiators and a turbocharger.
The number of exhaust systems must be greater than half a dozen.

The track record of motors running at the load and speed of highway
driving cannot be an unknown, since they have existed in factories for
decades.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
almost considered rude not to. It helpes create a low tension > atmosphere.

Hand gestures can be considered a threat. That's what happens when
the 'PC' morons get laws passed.

I can believe that.

I was charged for not pulling off the
road to let someone pass me on a foggy morning, along a narrow road to
an elementary school, where kids walked every morning. The woman behind
me was tailgating and had her high beams on, so I did what I was taught
in survival driver's training by pulling to the center of the road so I
could see the white line. She tried to pass me anyway, then a cop
showed up from the other direction and claimed she saw everything, and
that the woman behind me had her child, so I should have known better.

So she was trying to pass in fog with a child on board ? SHE should have been the one charged.

The next day the same woman ran a co worker off the same road in the
same location, but when the police were called, all they said was, We
didn't see it.

The stories I hear of your police don't impress.

I don't intend to own one, and have tired of NASCAR and other
racing. You see everything but the race, except when they cut away to
show a wreck, over and over. In car cams watching the rear of another
car isn't racing, unless you are the driver. I got fast driving out of
my system in my 20s, and don't miss it.

I get the impression NASCAR is all about having crashes. Going round and round ovals can't be very exciting.

with mummy and daddy (the culture thing).

Someone walked into a local car stereo shop a few years ago and shot
the owner. They didn't take anything and the guy lived, but he doesn't
drive up and down main street, rattling windows in businesses with his
marked company truck anymore. They never found out who shot him, and a
lot of the idiots turned their noise down for about a year.

That's one way of dealing with it !

My road is a fairly short one - about 250m. As you doubtless know, many of our roads aren't very wide, dating from horse
and cart days and this is no exception being from the Victorian era. With cars parked on both sides, there's only room for
one car to pass inbetween.

Now it also happens to be part of a convenient short cut or 'rat run' as we call them, that avoids a busy set of traffic
lights. Sometimes we get cars or bikes 'screaming' down the road, engines revving to the max (in a 30 mph limit). On one
occasion I was standing on the sidewalk and was so cross I punched my fist at the car's windscreen. On another occasion I
stood in from of a car and refused to budge. It did stop and I told the Paki driver where to get off, despite his boss in
the back whining about the delay. I made sure the delay was as long as possible.

I suppose that's pedestrian rage ?

Graham

p.s. nice to have such a civil conversation
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
By nature? The history of Europe is the history of brutal warfare.

I'm talking about today. The EU has changed all that. Indeed that was always
part of its purpose.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Don't start up that European superiority nonsense again. What it makes
you is fatheaded.

Of course it was about trade; the gunships and the armies made sure of
it.

There were I believe never any more than 30,000 British soldiers in India when the
population was around 300 million.

That's a ratio of 1 British soldier to 10,000 Indians. Care to explain how you can
subjugate a population with those numbers ?

Never mind we brought democracy to over 50 nations.

Graham
 
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TheM

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
There were I believe never any more than 30,000 British soldiers in India when the
population was around 300 million.

That's a ratio of 1 British soldier to 10,000 Indians. Care to explain how you can
subjugate a population with those numbers ?

Never mind we brought democracy to over 50 nations.

Graham

Indeed, traveling around the world I get impression that British colonies were
handled well. And when left they usually remain in very good relations with
the ex motherland for the mutual benefit and even mostly colonie's benefit.

Belgian colony of DR Congo was another matter, it was the king's personal
property. Plantage slaves not reaching their daily quotas had their arms
chopped off and things like that, millions killed and many more after they were
left to their own devices (which is what they wanted) so they could engage
in a lasting conflict, totaling more dead than any other war after WW2.

Anyone claiming superiority is ridiculous. Put it in perspective, 1000 years is
just a mouse fart. And things change faster than that.

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Are you trying to compare a motor run 24/7 under a constant load, in
a stable environment against one in a moving vehicle? Even if you are,
the steel mill where I grew up had an in house motor shop to rewind
motors, and had over 20 people doing the work on their own motors. The
4480 VAC 5 HP three phase motors we used in the cooling system at a TV
station ran about five years between full rebuilds. they ran about 18
hours a day, with a fixed load, but still lost bearings.

And a car engine, having traveled about 100k miles, is likely to have
been 'on' for around 3000 hours tops.
Or around 4 months.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
Your point is? My last vehicle had over 225k miles when it was
junked. The engine was original, but the body was shot. A total of $150
in maintaenece was done in over 10 years, and most of that was by the
previous owner.

My point is that electric motors are more reliable than IC engines, by a
large margin.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
Tried buying a new engine lately?

There's some Saab specialists near Bristol that do rebuilt ones for ~ £1200. Considering how hi-tech that engine is compared to most .....

Graham
 
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