New Plug-in Electric Car Company

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Precisely right and almost without doubt, exactly where their impact will be first fel in quantity. Especially with incentives such as
in London such as no congestion charge and a few free re-charging points.

Graham

Then there's the servicing costs, presumably quite a bit cheaper than an
IC engine.

Dirk

 

[krw]

How long's your commute ?

Currently 13mi.

I'd have thought a 'compact' for that could return good savings
as long as it's maintained well and you're not in a part of the USA where cars rust away.

I've always lived in an area where cars rust away (no idea how well
they last here). Newer cars are far better, though. I have no
interest in tieing up another $20K in a vehicle. *THAT* is
wasteful.

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

Currently 13mi.


I've always lived in an area where cars rust away (no idea how well
they last here). Newer cars are far better, though. I have no
interest in tieing up another $20K in a vehicle. *THAT* is
wasteful.

Who said you had to buy a car new ? That's like throwing money away.

Graham

 

[Skywalker]

Simply not true anymore when considering typical power station
efficiencies, transmission losses, battery charging losses, controller
losses and electric motor efficiency. Plus if you need to heat the
cabin, that uses electricity but with an ICE it makes use of 'free'
waste heat.

A diesel will easily equal it. 'Next generation' auto diesels are
targeting 40% efficiency. Very large marine diesels can already exceed
50% thermal efficiency.

You need to learn accounting.

Graham

Graham, it doen't matter about efficiencies in the short term.
Electrical energy can be improved in time to use cleaner sources
(possibly solar), current gasoline engines cannot.

I would much rather have a hydrogen fuel cell car, with a hydrogen
source from converted water using power from solar panels. You could
even store the hydrogen for days when solar energy is weak.

Luke

 

[Eeyore]

it doen't matter about efficiencies in the short term

On which planet ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I would much rather have a hydrogen fuel cell car, with a hydrogen
source from converted water using power from solar panels. You could
even store the hydrogen for days when solar energy is weak.

You clearly know NOTHING about either PV solar or the characteristics and
properties of hydrogen.

Let me explain. 'Hydrogen economy' ? There isn't going to be one.

Graham

 

[Skywalker]

You clearly know NOTHING about either PV solar or the characteristics
and properties of hydrogen.

Let me explain. 'Hydrogen economy' ? There isn't going to be one.

Graham

Actually on the contrary, I just put a research paper together about PV
solar. But I am not going to waste my time proving things.

Sounds like your ego is getting in the way of better judgment. But thats
to be expected with people who don't their research and take a strong
one sided opinion.

I read you other posts, and you just seem to like to argue. Have you
ever posted once where you didn't criticize?

Luke

 

[Skywalker]

On which planet ?

Graham

I like how you cut out part of my post to take it out of context.

You forgot this part:
"Electrical energy can be improved in time to use cleaner sources
(possibly solar), current gasoline engines cannot."

 

[Rich Grise]

Actually on the contrary, I just put a research paper together about PV
solar. But I am not going to waste my time proving things.

OK, fair enough - we'll quit wasting OUR time listening to things that
you can't prove.

Good Luck!
RIch

 

[krw]

Who said you had to buy a car new ? That's like throwing money away.

You seem to think I (and everyone who needs a large vehicle) should
have a commuter and a real vehicle.

I'd never buy a used commuter, particularly an electric. Used
trucks ae silly too. They don't depreciate like cars. When I
bought this one there was $1000 difference between a new truck and a
one-year-old truck with 20K miles. Stupid!

 

[Skywalker]

OK, fair enough - we'll quit wasting OUR time listening to things that
you can't prove.

Good Luck!
RIch

Coming from someone that speaks about something before getting their facts
straight... "what did Queen Victoria expect Columbus"

I hope your not an engineer.

Good luck to you too.

 

[Eeyore]

Actually on the contrary, I just put a research paper together about PV
solar. But I am not going to waste my time proving things.

And what's your cost per kWh of solar electricity ? And how do you arrive at
it ?

Sounds like your ego is getting in the way of better judgment. But thats
to be expected with people who don't their research and take a strong
one sided opinion.

I'm trained in scientific disciplines, physics was always my strongest. I
know bollocks when I read or hear it. That has ZERO to do with ego.

I read you other posts, and you just seem to like to argue. Have you
ever posted once where you didn't criticize?

Plenty of times. We do pull each other's legs a bit here though so don't
misunderstand that for argument. There is however ONE special person here
who gets a lot of argument for very good reasons. Maybe 2 actually.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Eeyore wrote in

I like how you cut out part of my post to take it out of context.

You forgot this part:
"Electrical energy can be improved in time to use cleaner sources
(possibly solar), current gasoline engines cannot."

How ?

And you're wrong about gasoline engines too. Look at gasoline direct
injection for example. Big marine diesels can already exceed 50% thermal
efficiency and with heat recovery, could do better still.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

You seem to think I (and everyone who needs a large vehicle) should
have a commuter and a real vehicle.

It's one possibility.

I'd never buy a used commuter, particularly an electric. Used
trucks ae silly too. They don't depreciate like cars. When I
bought this one there was $1000 difference between a new truck and a
one-year-old truck with 20K miles. Stupid!

But you can get some super used bargains. Saabs typically for example depreciate almost like
falling bricks. The only reason I ever bought two (finances were tight).

Graham

 

[krw]

It's one possibility.

Seems to be the one you're advocating as the universal solution;
every other, regardless of the facts, is wasteful.

But you can get some super used bargains. Saabs typically for example depreciate almost like
falling bricks. The only reason I ever bought two (finances were tight).

Saabs are leftist weenie vehicles here. They are *NOT* cheap.

 

[krw]

As in "Those SOBs in the Saabs".

The rich leftist weenies are Saab stories. The middle class weenies
drive Subarus. Horrible drivers, all.

 

[Eeyore]

Not in the US.

Indeed I've noticed. They're more of a premium luxury import there I suppose.

You keep forgeting you are half way around the globe,
and what is availble there can't be found here.

Do you have no equivalent brands whose value drops like a stone ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

Seems to be the one you're advocating as the universal solution;
every other, regardless of the facts, is wasteful.

No actually. In actual fact it would be a non-starter in much of Europe since parking space is so
limited in many cities and towns. I'm not quite sure how you got the idea btw. I normally make the case
you are doing.

Saabs are leftist weenie vehicles here. They are *NOT* cheap.

How can a vehicle be political ? They're lovely quick cars, comfortable, superbly designed and
stunningly safe, end of story. Not cheap in the USA for sure AIUI though.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

As in "Those SOBs in the Saabs".

In Euope they have a reputation for being driven by 'professionals' like
architects, doctors / surgeons, pilots, lawyers and yes, even engineers.

Indeed my blue 9000CSE was formerly owned by a pilot.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

The rich leftist weenies are Saab stories. The middle class weenies
drive Subarus. Horrible drivers, all.

Another 'only in America' sad story.

Graham