New Plug-in Electric Car Company

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

For a 2 week holiday say in Cornwall ? (I'm near London).

Skye

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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

That sounds an astonishingly facile response.

True, but there are no inherently high priced materials being used.
We are not talking Pt loaded fuel cells.

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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

And how are you going to get the required coupling ? Don't know much about
electromagnetism do you ? Air core transformer ! My giddy aunt.

Graham

I've built a resonant coupled air core xformer for a battery charger
that worked over a distance of 1 coil diameter with no problems.

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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

So how come your auto death rate is about 3 times the UK rate ?

Saab, a death trap ? They're designed even to protect you from death or
serious injury in the event of a moose impact which American cars often
don't.

Graham

You fool! You obviously know nothing of driving conditions in the USA.
They have lower speed limits and wider roads. Er...

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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

The Americans set fire to the France and sank it in NY harbour. Great
engineers you are.

Graham

Be fair - they are hoping to beat the Chinese to the moon with the
renamed Saturn 5.1

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[Martin Griffith]

How do they do that with a 7 hp engine ? More like a motorised glider I reckon.

Imagine a 7 hp car ! 0-60 in several minutes.

Graham

Yep, no problems 7hp/ 60mph/ a couple of minutes, while it is going
up hill.

Terrestial cars don't get measured on a hill climb, do they?

martin

 

[krw]

But American 'cars' are weird anyway. Who really needs a Dodge Ram except to
compensate for a small willy ?

Anyone who wants to fetch sheet goods from the HomeDespot or take
stuff to the dump. We don't all just sit around pulling our puds,
like the typical Europeon.

 

[krw]

In England they are paid to drink crappy tea and not make those
little clown cars.

Nothing wrong with Shriners.

 

[krw]

Don't be so utterly ridiculous. Most people have no idea how to deal with a
trailer and will probably crash. In the UK it will limit their motorway speed
to 50 mph IIRC.

Maybe Europeons would crash. I've dragged a U-Haul (known in the US
for renting garbage) trailer exactly three times, once last year
(650mi) and once a couple of weeks ago (850mi). No crashes, nothing
even close. Pulling a trailer isn't rocket surgery. Even backing
up can be done by anyone with a little patience, practice, and
practical physics (can't push with a rope, type).

I limited my speed to 75MPH. ;-) It didn't try to go faster than
my truck, even once.

It's a totally fatuous idea.

It is, but safety has nothing to do with it.

 

[krw]

In some areas, even ICE's need to be plugged into engine-block heaters - so
maybe that'd suffice for an electric, too. Also, there are many areas which
are not all that cold.

There are a lot of areas that are hot too. Batteries tend not to
have long lives. The chemical reaction that makes them work causes
them to fail, at both ends of the temperature extremes.

No reason to not do somehting only becasue it won't solve *all* problems -
solutions obviously have to be evaluated for operating conditions. Maybe
compressed natural gas, for example, woudl be better in a very cold climate.

Of course this reduces the economies of scale.

All-or-nothing, either-or thinking leads to more problems, than solutions.
Not even petroleum solves *all* problems, otherwise, there'd be no such thing
as hydroelectric power, or heck, batteries, since theoretically, everything
can be run from either a wall socket or a gasoline-powered generator.

Don't be ridiculous.

 

[krw]

What's 'foot-dragging' about it ? It's fabulously innovative.



90 miles ? That wouldn't even have done my commute to Cambridge.



But people with one car simply don't want that. End of story.

People with two cars simply don't want that. It is a rich boy toy.

 

[Eeyore]

[email protected] says...

Anyone who wants to fetch sheet goods from the HomeDespot or take
stuff to the dump. We don't all just sit around pulling our puds,
like the typical Europeon.

So you have a monster vehicle just for those odd occasions ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Skye

Well that is a fair distance ! What on earth did you find to do there ? I found it
one of the most boring places on earth.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Of course not.
But in this case the price is high because demand cannot be met, not
because the tech is inherently expensive.

And ....... ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Since PV is already price competitive with grid in S Europe I'd say it
won't have to go that far to be noticed.

It most certainly IS NOT. It's collosally subsidised and in Germany ? the elec co
has to pay individuals MORE to take their power than they charge the customer for
the electricity they generate themselves. A double subsidy if you like.

It's INSANE.

Anyone can do the REAL numbers without all those book-fiddling exercises and the
numbers aren't pretty.

See that thread "Sizing off-grid systems in Ireland" in alt.solar.photovoltaic for
some REAL numbers.

Just wishing current PV solar made sense won't make it so.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

And why should they?

And why shouldn't they ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

True, but there are no inherently high priced materials being used.
We are not talking Pt loaded fuel cells.

Well, hydrogen is an idiot energy carrier (not fuel) anyway.

Let's see if the price comes down then.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

I've built a resonant coupled air core xformer for a battery charger
that worked over a distance of 1 coil diameter with no problems.

And the diameter was ?

Have you seen how accurately people park their cars btw ?

Graham

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

And ....... ?

It is then a case where large injections of cash into production lines
will have a drastic effect on price, yet still provide an economical return.

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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

And why shouldn't they ?

Because they want to keep their competitors guessing instead of dumping
all their R&D into similar thin film tech?

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